‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

@Neron

We have as much blood on our hands as governments, scientists, whoever else we want to moan about - if not more

There's no blood on my hands.

There's none on mine either, although I can't help worrying I'm letting my children down by sending them to school . I just feel uneasy, we clearly have no grip of any of it nationally.

The instinct to protect our kids is strong, school is not feeling like protection right now!

@neron there is plenty and it’s on my hands too. Our over consumption has lead to wildlife decline and loss of biodiversity at a shocking rate. This pandemic is due to habitat loss and a lack of biodiversity. It’s the primary reason - and there will be more pandemics to come if we don’t make a spectacular change to our lifestyles.

We have as much blood on our hands as governments, scientists, whoever else we want to moan about - if not more.

We're not all ravers and anarchists. Many of us have followed the rules and been very cautious. The behaviour of many is a stain on this nation.

The fact that none is holding themselves accountable is the reason we are in this mess.

[quote Plentyofshit]@neron there is plenty and it’s on my hands too. Our over consumption has lead to wildlife decline and loss of biodiversity at a shocking rate. This pandemic is due to habitat loss and a lack of biodiversity. It’s the primary reason - and there will be more pandemics to come if we don’t make a spectacular change to our lifestyles.[/quote]
One summer without a foreign holiday in the middle of a global pandemic was too much to ask for many, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

I’m not a raver or anarchist either, but I over-consume in a massive scale. I’ve strictly followed the rules. I need to make changes and I accept that I am partly responsible for this mess.

Completely agree @annabel85 COMPLETELY agree. We put a tent up in the garden and the kids loved it.

@Plentyofshit

I’m not a raver or anarchist either, but I over-consume in a massive scale. I’ve strictly followed the rules. I need to make changes and I accept that I am partly responsible for this mess.

@Plentyofshit that's a very big argument, not sure people collectively will be able to focus on it until after this pandemic is controlled. A problem with humans is we are quite short-term in our thinking!

What changes are you thinking?

How do I have blood on my hands? I haven't been the one letting planes in the country throughout the whole thing, I'm not the one in government saying you must do this - and then do the opposite, I've not attended no raves, or protests, or ate out to help out. I've followed all the rules, not seen family or friends, lost everything financially and yet I'll still follow the rules even though I think it's bullshit.

And I am far more concerned about the mental health of the 90 year old guy I saw pushing his trolley than my own mental health. I will sacrifice my bloody holiday and Christmas if it saves him

@neron. If I look at myself I drive a petrol car when I don’t need to, I buy far more than I need from the shops, I order rubbish cheap goods online, my recycling is full of plastic etc, etc - this has all contributed to causing the pandemic.

@Plentyofshit how on earth has all that contributed to this pandemic? This is a 'deadly' virus, how does driving your car have any influence over it? If you want to live sustainably and feel bad for your footprint on this planet, then go ahead. This thread is talking about the virus and rule of 6, not what fuel you put in your car?

Oh get over yourselves, Pandemics are not new and epidemics even less so, there are examples of epidemics 3000 years B.C. Regards the 90 year old he has been very lucky to live in one of the most stable periods in history, he would have been too young to fight in the war (and Corona has already killed more than the blitz) and the country had enjoyed prosperity for more years than austerity. The cruelest thing to do to that 90year old is to lock him away and stop him from seeing people. There is much worse than death.

@neron just read this en.unesco.org/courier/news-views-online/pandemics-humans-are-culprits

Habit loss and declining biodiversity is behind the pandemic. As the article states - humans are the culprits. And the rate of pandemics will increase if we don’t change our lifestyles.

Habitat

I'm proper confused. My friend has booked a cottage at Christmas. There's going to be 7 of us, all from 7 different households. I'm a single parent. As I'm in a support bubble with my friend is it still within the rules to do this, as our household counts as one, so the number of households goes down to 6?

Dentydown

There were FaceTime calls sometimes yes, but it’s not the same.

@CountessFrog

I have a good friend whose elderly father lives in a care home two hours away. She hadn’t seen him in six months ‘because of Covid.’ He’s 92, mostly got his faculties, perhaps a bit forgetful.

She went to visit last week and realised he’s been in his room pretty much the whole time. He hasn’t seen a single human face that isn’t wearing a mask. He can’t hear well. So he hasn’t actually had any human interaction for six months, as he hasn’t seen a smile, nobody has touched him and he can’t hear what people are saying behind a mask.

He’s deteriorated hugely. He no longer recognised her. He’s been biting at his skin. And the reason she wasn’t able to visit was, of course, to keep him alive.

I totally empathise. My very elderly parents are in two different hospitals, 45 miles apart. DM is going into a care home, will be allowed a single, nominated person only, once every 3 weeks for half an hour. No one else. She’s very frail, deaf, and cannot hear you so communication is by writing everything down. D dad likely to need nursing home, one being considered is a single visitor once a month, 15 minutes, in outdoor space. He’s terminally ill but no leniency there. So, thanks to my estranged sister, I will never see either again because she’s nominated herself. Neither will my othe diss, specs, their grandchildren etc.

I hope those smug, responsible for the rising cases individuals are feeling very pleased with themselves. You are causing untold misery for many.
To you I say f#£& off. My family will have no fond memories of my parents, just that their last weeks of life we’re amongst strangers.

• other DSis

Ultimate no. Rule of 6 would not allow 7 people from 7 different households. (Is 7 households correct).

I think though that if it were 2 households that have formed a bubble then it would be allowed. Although i guess we need to see the fine detail.

But Christmas is a wee bit away so who knows what the rules will be then.

(I suspect schools shut and no households nixing if attitudes on this thread are anything to go by)

That’s heartbreaking, Strawberry. This gentleman does have a nominated visitor, but visits have to be through the window and his room is on the first floor.

@Strawberrycreamsundae I'm so sorry as that sounds awful for your DPs. But the reason people can't visit is because of how the UK has reacted to the virus.

A more humane approach would be to allow a limited number of visitors to visit, as the risk of them catching coronavirus is less than the social deprivation caused by not letting visitors see the very elderly.

We cannot expect people to put their lives on hold for months on end with no end in sight to the restrictions, and whilst I do get annoyed when I see large gatherings, my annoyance would be around the police not having the manpower or the will to stop bigger groups. But I cannot get worked up at people wanting a small sleepover for their DCs birthday or my DS wanting to play football with the people he has been in class all day with.

@Plentyofshit

I can’t believe we are 7 months in and people STILL think this is about personal risk and not about the spread of infection.

I agree, I'm thinking it's somewhat reflective of a self absorbed me me me society and that many still are failing to grasp that this is needs to be a collective effort. You only have to see the sense entitlement by some regarding holidays with individualisic attitudes such as " I felt safe going to th is particular country as their numbers are very low". Not thinking that they themselves may unknowingly contribute to the transmission in the place they are visiting and how that may impact the people living there. The individualisic view points and attitudes are almost embarrassing.

Ultimate no. Rule of 6 would not allow 7 people from 7 different households. (Is 7 households correct).

It is 7 different households. But one in a bubble with another so counts as 6 households, 7 people.

When it was booked we assumed the rules would have been lifted. I don't know what we will do.