‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

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To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

Someone told me about an animal species in a zoo - they said that if their food is given to them it makes them unhappy. If they have to hunt, their happiness increases. If I lived in a tent, and my basic needs of food/shelter/warmth are met - I can be happy. I don’t need to stress over a holiday, that I can’t have Christmas, that restrictions are put on my over indulgence etc.

You go and live in a tent in the woods then. I'll get back to my normal life.

@mrsnorrismeow

For goodness sake this is just a brief period in your lives

Except it isn't though, is it.

It is quite brief, yes. We've done six months so far. In a lifetime a year of this isn't a big percentage.

Oh, so now the virus wears a watch ?

I'm not going to be doing another full lockdown. The first one was to protect the NHS. The NHS coped. What's any further ones for? No second wave came after the VE day, black lives matter protests, crowded beaches etc. If all of that didn't produce the second spike then what exactly are we are all hiding away for?

They are thinking of a 10pm curfew

SheMade

Have a look at Belgium on this chart v Spain

Which line would you want to follow

What I mean is - the hotspots are not caused by a particular high percentage unwillingness or antisocial mindset. Just the impacts are heightened there and the financial pressures.

But I expect many people in non hotspot areas are non compliant too.

We need a fucking sane government to look at the real problems and fix them.

We are heading back to lockdown as we don't have the testing, tracing or isolating we need.

Test trace isolate. It's absolutely basic.

No point fining people who won't comply. Too bloody late then! You have to test trace isolate.

Chance I get what you meant but I do think it’s general non compliance. Going by what people talk about on here with levels of mask wearing and SD I can see my area is very compliant. Pretty much everyone does it.

Only 20% of people with symptoms are isolating. That is a dangerous position to be in

That's awful, really something needs to be done to make self isolating as easy as possible for people. Given that you take such a drastic reduction in pay for two weeks, self isolation is a luxury only a few can afford.

@ShesMadeATwatOfMePam. You’ve just contradicted yourself with that post.

Animals basic needs are being met by giving them food and shelter but they are still unhappy because they need to hunt their food and be free. Humans are the same so sitting in a tent being passed food does not make for happiness because it’s not natural. Just like a lion living in a cage being chucked a leg of lamb is not natural.

This virus is dangerous or it isn’t. The government has lost all respect and the citizens are confused as this thread clearly demonstrates. There is no consistency, no leadership, no examples set and no sense. When that happens we fight amongst ourselves, and if you like animal analogies so much that’s exactly what would happen if the alpha leader of a tribe lost the plot too.

What logic states that my teenage kids can sit on a bus and mingle with their pals all day at school but they can’t have the same pals back to sit in the garden - it is utter crap and I’m astonished at the blind faith people put in questionable leaders!
And yes I’ve written to my MSP.

@MarshaBradyo

Chance I get what you meant but I do think it’s general non compliance. Going by what people talk about on here with levels of mask wearing and SD I can see my area is very compliant. Pretty much everyone does it.

You have no idea what they are doing in their homes. That is why in home transmission is driving cases.

I also see compliance in public.

But you do not know who is having sleepovers etc.

Chance No I can’t see in their homes but I bet that non compliance in one area is more likely to leech into another. If you don’t care at all you are more likely to not care across the board. It’s easy to see that.

As for what people do in their homes yes that’s why it has been driven up in Birmingham, from private gatherings.

So going by the very low rates here I doubt many people are doing the same.

So new restriction makes sense. Again easy to get. Not sure why people are so confused on here. It’s probably general non compliance.

I’ve had kids sneeze and slobber on me, the children need hands held, they need cuddles and personal care. My own DC will be sitting in classes with 30 odd other children not wearing masks all day too. But not one person is allowed in my house

Does it occur to you sweetkitty that they're not allowed in your house because you are the risk. That's the point - lots of mixing is going on ensuring kids still go to school etc, and if the rule of 6 even slightly slows down the rate at which the virus caught in a school (or large workplace) is transmitted to others.

’m having a tough time deciding who to believe. On the one hand, the most prestigious doctors in the world warn about a second spike and relaxing lockdown too early, but at the same time this guy I used to go to school with “who sees through the media” says otherwise.

I can’t believe we are 7 months in and people STILL think this is about personal risk and not about the spread of infection.

The behavioural scientists who advise government, and who research this all day everyday, believe people are much more compliant in public spaces.

I would hazard a guess the more 'naice' an area, the more people will comply publicly whilst doing what they choose privately. Matt Hancock said the biggest increases were 17-21 year olds in affluent areas. In affluent areas young people can socialise in their parents' large homes. In poorer areas young people are far more likely to socialise outside the home - parks, town centres etc. Outside.

Non compliance with regards to masks in shops is much less likely to result in transmission than not distancing inside the home.

In house transmission is the biggest issue.

@ChanceChanceChance

The behavioural scientists who advise government, and who research this all day everyday, believe people are much more compliant in public spaces.

I would hazard a guess the more 'naice' an area, the more people will comply publicly whilst doing what they choose privately. Matt Hancock said the biggest increases were 17-21 year olds in affluent areas. In affluent areas young people can socialise in their parents' large homes. In poorer areas young people are far more likely to socialise outside the home - parks, town centres etc. Outside.

Non compliance with regards to masks in shops is much less likely to result in transmission than not distancing inside the home.

In house transmission is the biggest issue.

Yes it is as I just said.

Are the areas spiking in Birmingham etc affluent ‘naice’ areas as you call them?

Sorry @MarshaBradyo, think you misunderstood me, wasn't replying to your Birmingham remark specifically.

Just generally discussing that transmission is being driven across the board and outward appearances of compliance mean nothing.

I cried yesterday after reading this discussion. I went to the shops and saw a very frail elderly gentleman, smartly dressed and wearing his face mask. He was carefully adhering to distancing rules. And then I thought about some of the utterly selfish and self centred comments on here.

@ChanceChanceChance

Sorry *@MarshaBradyo*, think you misunderstood me, wasn't replying to your Birmingham remark specifically.

Just generally discussing that transmission is being driven across the board and outward appearances of compliance mean nothing.

Chance Ok we’ll have to disagree but I don’t think outward appearances means nothing.

If they did and affluent families were driving infection due to bigger houses we’d see almost endemic levels in richer areas not deprived.

Your behaviour will kill him. It’s as simple as that.

We have as much blood on our hands as governments, scientists, whoever else we want to moan about - if not more.

We have as much blood on our hands as governments, scientists, whoever else we want to moan about - if not more

There's no blood on my hands.

@MarshaBradyo I don't consider myself to be disagreeing with anyone, it's a complex subject with many facets.

@Plentyofshit

I cried yesterday after reading this discussion. I went to the shops and saw a very frail elderly gentleman, smartly dressed and wearing his face mask. He was carefully adhering to distancing rules. And then I thought about some of the utterly selfish and self centred comments on here.

Agree. Heartbreaking and maddening.