‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

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To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

People are fed up with being told utter nonsense that from the 14th September u can only meet in groups of 6. So this virus can read, and know the date it’s allowed to go for people who are in a group more than 6 but it will not infect school run mums, dads and kids, not people on a plane, train, places of worship or sitting in an office??!!!!!!! Really??!!! WOW it’s a very clever virus!!!! 😂😂 The sheep of this country need to wake up and see just how ridiculous this really is!!!!! Personally I wouldn’t believe a bloody word this government say!!!! They make the bullshit up as they go along!! Don’t wear a mask then 6 months in wear a mask which do absolutely nothing to protect anyone. Muzzle up everyone!!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

other less important things need to be reduced

I wish people wouldn't down play the effect this has on people, mentally. All very well if you're not single or living alone, having no interaction with people.

We could have encourage people to picnic in the park or something. Buy produce from the local shops, support the economy but allowing people to socialise outside instead of sitting in restaurants

Neron I’m not downplaying the mental effect this is having on people. 6 people can meet up. We’re not being told no interaction at all.

Mesoavocado Talking about death rates, I have tried several times to see how many funerals have taken place in UK and each time am told that the information is not available.

It makes me wonder if there are refridgerated lorries parked containing bodies from a backlog.

You would think that the number of funerals would match the number of people who have passed away, so why are they not giving out numbers?

my sister her good friend and my nephew cant come here as we are a family of 5 so thats then 8 of us.... but i can go to my sisters house and spend time with those 3 people only 4 of us then?? it doesnt make sense i have been in close contact with the other 4 members of my household if they have it then i have it. also my 2 primary age dc's bubble in classes of 30 and my secondary school child is altho grouped in around 30 children her bubble is around 120-130 (her year group) multiple year groups catch the bus together aswell. we are high risk (me and my dh) so we only let people into our home which we feel safe with.... all together there are 5 people i trust enough to let into my home. now we cant have anyone over my mum cant even see us as her partner brings her and they dont live close to me

Arbitrary, inconsistent and contradictory rules.

Ski can sit in an office for 12 hours and no masks needed and with any number of people but I can’t meet up with 6 friends for a coffee for an hour.

14 day quarantine starting in a day or so at 4am. WFT? If it’s bad enough to need quarantine make it with immediate effect!

I have to wear a mask in the supermarket, but not in the pub with a load of strangers and alcohol.

It honestly feels like making rules for the sake of it, rather than for effectiveness, and when the inevitable second spike comes (in winter with 66445788 other viruses) it’ll be the public’s fault. I’m genuinely at the stage now, of just let it happen, let’s get it over with.

@Neron

other less important things need to be reduced

I wish people wouldn't down play the effect this has on people, mentally. All very well if you're not single or living alone, having no interaction with people.

We could have encourage people to picnic in the park or something. Buy produce from the local shops, support the economy but allowing people to socialise outside instead of sitting in restaurants

Fully in favour of that? In fact I am hopefully having a picnic with my semi shielding friend in a weeks time. She’s been alone for too long and looks like will be hiding away again soon as people can’t stop being selfish

but Resturant’s are people’s Livelihoods. I have seen some amazing set ups to keep people safe, they aren’t all crowding them in

Nearly everyone is making a sacrifice

I have a good friend whose elderly father lives in a care home two hours away. She hadn’t seen him in six months ‘because of Covid.’ He’s 92, mostly got his faculties, perhaps a bit forgetful.

She went to visit last week and realised he’s been in his room pretty much the whole time. He hasn’t seen a single human face that isn’t wearing a mask. He can’t hear well. So he hasn’t actually had any human interaction for six months, as he hasn’t seen a smile, nobody has touched him and he can’t hear what people are saying behind a mask.

He’s deteriorated hugely. He no longer recognised her. He’s been biting at his skin. And the reason she wasn’t able to visit was, of course, to keep him alive.

@Timeforanotherusername
^Are most of you parents? Have children at school?

Would you rather they shut so you could keep on seeing family?

That could be a trade off?

We need to get the spread of this virus under control again so that may be the best route?

Its not good for the economy. But closing pubs / shops is probably worse.

It would be pretty shit for the kids but then there is no perfect solution.

Write to your MP.^

If the choice is being able to see my close family and friends in groups of 10 or less. The. yes I would absolutely rather my child continued doing part time in school and part time at home (as they did in June/July). I'd rather those that can work from home. I'd rather have greater restrictions on larger gatherings. I think that's the problem actually, many of us consider our close family and friends as the last thing we want to give up. Whereas the government want them to be first. Then of course you have the weirdness of the fact that Sizemores individuals can meet up from six different households. But 2 families can't. It doesn't make sense. When laws clearly don't make sense, people do tend to break them.

This pandemic is OUR fault. We are ALL responsible for the utter mess we have got the world into. I don’t believe I’m in a position to complain about governments or rules because I need to make a radical overhaul in my own life as well. I believe I need to suck it up, and follow guidance (even if I disagree) because this situation is unprecedented and changing on a daily basis. We can’t change the government we voted for right now, we can’t change Brexit (we voted for this). I want to strip down my life, look at my overconsumption, think carefully about what I REALLY need, change my job, strive for things, exercise, reduce my carbon footprint.

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Someone told me about an animal species in a zoo - they said that if their food is given to them it makes them unhappy. If they have to hunt, their happiness increases. If I lived in a tent, and my basic needs of food/shelter/warmth are met - I can be happy. I don’t need to stress over a holiday, that I can’t have Christmas, that restrictions are put on my over indulgence etc.

I had health anxiety during the first 3/4 months of lockdown. I went out of the house a total of 3 times from March to Mid July and my 3 youngest kids didn't go out at all. I've washed everything that comes into my home and followed the rules to the letter. I have slowly emerged out of my total lockdown and I have not broken the rules.

However, I truly believe that if I saw my parents (I am already a family of 6 so would be 8 people) who have not gone out to pubs and restaurants, don't work, just shop once a week and socially distance while I'm there, then it will be far safer than the actual government rules where I can go out every night with a different 5 friends, go to the zoo and the cinema and everything else.

I also don't get how the rules will allow me to visit my parents with 2 of my children and then my DH can go in just after I have left with my other 2 children. Technically allowed but all 8 people have been in the same house in the same day.

Do the rules apply when my DC are in bed. If DD2 is in bed at 6.30, can 1 friend come round.

The rules don't make sense. I'm not saying I won't comply as I have so far but I completely understand those that think its ridiculous.

My daughter who lives in Kent sent me this screenshot less than a week after schools opened near her. 😕

So many confused people.

If seeing people is important wouldn’t you prefer to keep that than track towards Birmingham and have that stopped?

Would you like to go back to no school?

If you do hopefully you all live in same area and can have same outcome.

Just looking at Birmingham thread posters talking about low compliance. There’s definitely an element of not bothering in high infection areas.

@CountessFrog no attempt was made to keep him in touch with video calls/phone calls? That is horrifying! Even a call once a week may have kept his spirits up.

I think people are not complying everywhere. In varied ways.

The UK is especially at risk of this due to our high poverty rates, low state support and ruined public services. The pandemic has exposed a lot of issues we've had for a long time. Chickens coming home to roost.

Only 20% of people with symptoms are isolating. That is a dangerous position to be in.

But I totally understand why, as we have insecure employment, survival wages and many many people are one missed pay packet from homelessness.

We need an urgent rethink of how we are approaching this whole situation.

Such rubbish. I followed the rules the first time but I’m damed if I’ll do it again. They are lying bastards with their fake virus and anyone putting a mask on their child should be ashamed of their life. Breath in good air breath out bad air. Can we post this shit on the COVID board cos it’s ridiculous at this stage

I think people are not complying everywhere. In varied ways.

Certain areas will absolutely have lower rates of compliance based on mindset, jobs, living arrangements. It’s not all equal and the effects are pronounced.

Local hotspots are very much becoming apparent in terms of next stage.

6 people can meet up. We’re not being told no interaction at all

There are many examples on this thread that show it's not as simple as that. Frankly, the PP with her poor father in the care home, that is so sad yet it will not be the only incident.

People always moaning no one ever offers a solution or idea, well I did with the picnic. Yes restaurants have suffered, so have many others, including my own business which is mostly decimated by this. We had glorious weather, we were allowed to socialise outdoors, you could have run a scheme where restaurants, cafes, whatnot made up hampers. There were so many little businesses born during the pandemic where people made cakes, or jars of sweets and home delivered them.
If this virus is so deadly, then we shouldn't be in any restaurants, eating in contained spaces, no masks on. It is either a risk or it isn't.

It's anarchists that are breaking the rules.

I don't think the difference is willingness to comply, it is poverty, poor housing and crappy jobs. I'm happy to comply - I won't lose my job and would get full pay.

Government needs to stop talking total shite about spending £100 billion on sci-fi fantasy tests and pay full wages for self-isolation. Plus law to say you can't be fired for self-isolating.

@annabel85

It's anarchists that are breaking the rules.

Anarchists

It's bloody everyone! I see lovely looking people in Waitrose not distancing.

Chance I’d say it’s both. Probably going hand in hand for a lot of people going by this thread. I don’t mean you, as you’re willing