‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

griffendor they might still be low but you they are increasing. You can see it in the link you have provided.

I have done it for England only.

Between 20th March and 15th June, apart from driving dh to the go and then hospital on two occasions, I stayed at home. Other than trips to gp_& or hospital, so did dh. We are both classed as 'vulnerable'. On 15th June, I was required to return to work (in a school) but was given tasks to do which basically ensured I was isolated from everyone else. As of last week, I have been back at work as normal. Working across 4 classes in different year groups. Government guidance says that primary aged children apparently do not spread this virus and therefore, I am not allowed to wear a face mask etc in school. If the government truly believe children are not likely to spread the virus, why are primary aged children not excluded from the count, as they were in previous guidance. I accept the new rule and will adhere to it. But this means that dh and I will still not be able to have our family of six adults and one toddler together anytime soon. I haven't been able to see my elderly mum since March. We had hoped to have a small gathering at. Christmas - 8 of us in total, including toddler. Under the new rules, that can't happen.
In terms of health, I really don't see why I can work, without ppe, with up to 120 children, yet can't have a family gathering of 8 people, all of whom have been following the rules. It just feels so unfair that as vulnerable people, we are told we have to return to work in a situation where social distancing apparently means I am no at risk any more, yet meeting my family will put me at greater risk.

@Erictheavocado the government talks a load of rubbish, so thats we have to self isolate for the next 2 weeks in case we have it beause children don't spread it??? Wouldn't trust alot of what boris johnson says or does. ;)

@Erictheavocado this rule makes no sense, it's security theatre to make it seem like the govt is doing something. I hope you still spend christmas with your mom because she is elderly and could die soon of a lot of different reasons and if she does, you are going to regret the fact that she was lonely and isolated for the last few months of her life.

I am slightly baffled by England rules.

Scotland makes more sense regarding under 12 years not being included since primary school children are low risk spreaders

The rules just mean we can only see one other household at a time. Which is fine. Whatever needs to be done

@thenovice exactly this.
I am so over this and it does seem daft that I can go to a pub with 5 people from other households but I can't have my in-laws over for my girls birthday even though that's only 2 households and in a private garden.
But the rule hasn't been introduced because being in a group of 6 is dangerous , or more dangerous than any of the exempt examples, it's the way to reduce the risk that least harms education and the economy.
I have followed every rule and so will follow this one. I don't agree with what's been done but I would hate to be the one making all the decisions, there is no easy answer that saves lives and doesn't destroy the economy.
I've never had mental health issues until the lockdown and am struggling to support my DH with his mental health issues caused by this. But we will do as the rules state.

@Elsie1966

It seems to me that the government put rules in place to suit themselves, but they totally contradict what they want in place. Covid is a deadly disease. People should use due dilligence surrounding thier circumstances. The government, to me, seem to put economy over life and I for one will be using due dilligence which affect me and my family. I have always worn a mask when in enclosed places like shops, wash my hands/ sanitise my hands when out, and shop only when is absolutely needed. The rule of face coverings and mask wearing should of been put in place from the get go in my opinion and that's what it is an opinion, no doubt it will offend some, but that's how I feel. We are all being treated like morons because of the minority of some people who behave like morons and feel they are invinsible to this virus

Totally agree. The government are applying half measures cos they need to balance economy and health. Well my priority is our health so I'll be staying home as much as possible. My DC is going to school so we are still at risk but that's something else.i need to balance - DC education and mental health.

It is not all about what laws are being made and broken. We must all learn from it to pass on to future generations. We do not want to go down in history as the generation who did not give a monkey, for the health and well being of others.

My carer has saved my life three times since the lockdown. I have no idea what I would do if he went down with the virus and could not come. His wife is a specialist nurse in hospital. Because they are black the government says that they are more at risk of death that white people if they catch it. I do not have a lot of money, but I can order groceries online and now I order two of everything, to make sure they both get a balanced diet, since one of the reasons that minorities are are risk is poor nutrition. That is often because they cannot spend such a long time in a queue. They have promised me they will not go into supermarkets in case they catch the virus and bring it home to me, so having taken away their human right to shop where they like, the least I can do is pay for it. I am not particularly charitable, but we have never lived with a pandemic before and young adults need to learn experiences so their children know what to do if it happens again.

There are elderly/disabled/single parents who cannot go shopping and cannot shop online for any reason and I wonder how they are living? This seems to be a good opportunity to ask posters if they know someone who is isolating alone in a house to just buy something extra for them.

When Jesus fed the 4,000 it was not because they were poor. It was because they had stayed late listening to Him and His disciples came to him and said ''It is late and the people are hungry. We have no food and by the time they get home the shops will be closed.'' so Jesus fed them. There are many many people around for whom the shops are closed, and they need feeding too.

@Mesoavocado

The Scottish rules don’t make sense at all. There are 8 people in ICU across the whole country, no or low cases in most places, no deaths almost every day.

Yet it will be illegal from Monday for 3 DC to walk home from school together or play football at the park. It will be illegal to meet 3 friends at Costa.

It is totally disproportionate to the threat.

Sigh

It’s not to do with death rate though

It’s the spread of the virus to potentially vulnerable people

What is frustrating me about the rule, he wants no more than 6 to meet up (social distancing still) but he is happy for 30+ kids sitting next to each other at school, sports can continue, he wants everyone back at work... to me it makes no sense, I don't see the difference in people meeting up outside and kids sitting in classrooms together.
I was meant to be celebrating my grandads birthday end of month but that'll be cancelled now. Explained to the kids why it will be and it just confuses them. Yes they are happy to be back at school but they can't understand why they can't meet up with family members but can mix with their class mates... we're a family of 5, so that means we can't actually meet with anyone

I don't think the government have a clue what they're doing. I've been a good girl, followed all the rules during the first lockdown but every week they're coming up with more bollocks rules that are plucked out of nowhere. So yeah, I'm making my own risk assessments and getting on with my life.

@Mesoavocado

Yes, and case numbers are still very low in most of the country (outside Glasgow and surrounding areas), which means there is little chance or vulnerable people being infected. There is certainly not enough of a risk to ban DC playing with their friends in the park.

Personally though I’d be in favour of bringing back shielding on a voluntary basis, with the government paying the salaries of vulnerable people if they wished.

We do not want to go down in history as the generation who did not give a monkey, for the health and well being of others.

This is a spectacularly bad reason to destroy the mental health of thousands of people here and now.

It’s specific to Covid and the fact that we are being lead by committee and not parliament

Things don’t get discussed they get pushed through by the committee

Even if they don’t make sense

We are currently not living in freedom and democracy, we are not represented by our MPs, I know these are weird times but tbh the government have lost me

I have no faith in them and their new arbitrary laws

Until Covid I never even parked on a yellow line, totally law abiding

But I’ve enough of this crap

@Ilizzie

But covid is not the only threat in the world to the health and wellbeing of people. There will be thousands of extra cancer deaths for example as a result of screening and treatments being stopped. Many of these will be in the young and middle-aged, who are at little to no risk from COVID.

There will also be huge numbers of mental health conditions created when millions of people become unemployed over the next few months

It is not just a case of locking everyone inside to stop COVID and every other issue magically disappears.

I’m perplexed, I cannot have anyone in my house from Monday (where we live in Scotland has just gone into extra measures) but I will go and work in a school, I work in SEN they’ll be 2 other adults in the class and the nature of the job means we can’t social distance or wear masks. I’ve had kids sneeze and slobber on me, the children need hands held, they need cuddles and personal care. My own DC will be sitting in classes with 30 odd other children not wearing masks all day too. But not one person is allowed in my house

sweet let's hope it's short and sweet.

I wonder what percentage of Scottish pop are now under restrictions?

I guess the trade off is schools. Close schools and there may be enough flexibility in the spread of the virus to let you have a visitor.

@HeresMe @grifffendor

The link was to a graph of ONS data for UK Covid hospital admissions from 25 Aug to 9 Sep demonstrating the consistent rise across all regions in the UK (70% rise since 25th Aug). Obviously you can find your own graphs based on your preferred sources of data ( The Zoe Covid study app has good graphs) if you're wary of Twitter ( for good reason certainly).

This is so depressing that people can’t see that to open the economy and schools other less important things need to be reduced. The economy pays for everything unless the government just borrows money and it can’t do that without money coming in. You want your children to go to school which is a risk in itself. This pandemic doesn’t care that you want to meet your parents and friends. It’s a virus and just wants to spread to the next available host. It finds it very easy to do so therefore there had to be limited activity elsewhere if you need movement of people working and children being educated.
For goodness sake this is just a brief period in your lives that you are being instructed to behave in a certain way. Why can’t people just stop and think instead of arguing against it all. It’s so sad there are so many people who have decided they know best in deciding their own risk assessments when they clearly don’t even understand the basics.

What makes a building covid secure? Is it the cleaning and washing of hands? Surely people are doing that in their homes anyway, and increasing measures if they have people over to sit in their garden?

Also, who are the vulnerable we are protecting? My DM with emphysema is a key worker and is working with no special measures. Same for my MIL with lung cancer. GOSH signed my niece off as ok to go to school when she's 6 and has been fighting cancer for the last year, still having active treatment which is 4 days of chemo every 3 weeks. No special arrangement for her, GOSH don't think she's any more at risk so she's at school (and loving it)

This pandemic doesn’t care that you want to meet your parents and friends. It’s a virus and just wants to spread to the next available host.

No! You're kidding?! I thought it was a sentient being that could think and feel for itself.

Eyeroll.

Kindly explain to me how why a household of three meeting a household of four is more of a risk than a household of three meeting the same household of four except one of the four stays home.

For goodness sake this is just a brief period in your lives

Except it isn't though, is it.

@friendlycat

This is so depressing that people can’t see that to open the economy and schools other less important things need to be reduced. The economy pays for everything unless the government just borrows money and it can’t do that without money coming in. You want your children to go to school which is a risk in itself. This pandemic doesn’t care that you want to meet your parents and friends. It’s a virus and just wants to spread to the next available host. It finds it very easy to do so therefore there had to be limited activity elsewhere if you need movement of people working and children being educated. For goodness sake this is just a brief period in your lives that you are being instructed to behave in a certain way. Why can’t people just stop and think instead of arguing against it all. It’s so sad there are so many people who have decided they know best in deciding their own risk assessments when they clearly don’t even understand the basics.

This again 1000 fold

Of course going to work or school or public transport etc are of some risk but they are necessary and the interaction on top of that has to be minimised

Having said that I do wish I had hugged my parents before rates increased again😕

The issue with that argument @friendlycat is that people have carried out their own risk assessments and there is a very low or no risk to the vast majority of people from this virus.

We cannot have a situation for much longer where everyone is asked to put their lives on hold, other conditions are not detected and treated, the economy is destroyed and mental health problems go through the roof, for a virus that poses no threat to most people.

At risk individuals should be given an individual risk assessment and be supported financially and practically to shield if they wish to. Otherwise we need to start getting back to normal while taking a edible precautions and avoiding high risk activities like nightclubs.