‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

It just all stems from anger and confusion. Schools, pubs, Gyms, sport and travelling are open and people can't see their own parents. The anger makes people not see the bigger picture.. people being more relaxed when meeting at their own homes/open spaces hence the new restrictions

The new rule is shit we are a family of 6, 2 adults and 4 dc so that means we cant meet anybody, grandparents or other family! I think it's a piss take considering we have been so strict with every rule there was/is and yet someone who is single or lesser children can meet up with up people up to 6, it's like we are being punished for being a larger family! Bozo the clown is an arsehole who has literally cocked up every bit of this pandemic and still is! Unbelievable

It seems quite simple to me. There is a virus which we need to avoid catching if possible, as some people will die from it. However, if we all stay at home, this country will run out of money and we will die of something else. For us to go to work, the kids have to go to school. It's a risky balance. There is no good solution and no-one really knows what to do. Rules change because the government is trying to balance the risks and get people working and spending. It is not the fault of anyone in this country that the virus is here. It's a crisis and sometimes life sucks. We all have to cope as best we can. A positive attitude and attempting to keep to the rules is probably the best option for our mental and physical health. We will all be worse off financially at the end of this, but that's just how it is. Life doesn't always work out how we want. I will keep the rules. I have lost my job and don't get any state help as I am one of the zero hours brigade. My sister's paramedic husband died because he was treating people who didn't. His life didn't work out so well. I am grateful to be alive.

Well said , bravo 👏

Thank Cummings for the "fuck it" attitude. That's when it all started. People were generally super careful before then.

@MrsMigginsPie

According to recent BMJ paper, the majority of transmissions happen in the home ( sharing food, bathrooms etc). So this is where part of the logic for focus on social lives, rather than work places etc. www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3181

That said, BoJo & co have been abysmal at managing the virus ( as compared with most other developed nations).

@whittingtonmum exactly!

Thanks yankeeinkingarthurscourt I’ll give it a read!

When the government adviser Cummings took his child north to see his parents, he opened up something that the government and advisers had no considered.

I brought to my mind the fact that there were and probably still are, problems of what to do when parents develop symptoms. In law they can only leave children with a registered child minder or grandparents. No arrangements were included in the lock down and isolating rules in instances where a child would be left in the house alone if the parent/s collapsed. The adviser and his wife had symptoms and they had a four year old. There seemed to be a thought in all minds that when the symptoms appeared there would be time to make arrangements for the children. How could you make arrangements for child care if parents collapsed, bearing in mind that strangers would not be suitable, and no directions of what to do were included in the lock down laws. How many parents had a local registered child minder they could call on? After Cummings, the government announced a 'bubble' so that parents could set up another family to call on for help.

That scenario is stark and real, yet no one allowed for it. A virus can take days to give symptoms or just hours. I have GBS/CIDP caught from a virus infection 33 years ago and am now very disabled. No one could believe then what damage a virus could do, and it seems despite all the laws, people still cannot understand that they could suffer the rest of their lives. Already the Government have set up respite and rehabilitation for those who had the virus and are now left with the ongoing GBS, so it is a growing reality that some who may appear to recover actually have not, and every movement is like a ball and chain around the ankle or sack of clothes on the back.

Yesterday the government's daily update announced that a system of child psychiatrists and clinics are being set up to deal with the psychological affects of the virus on children. There must be a lot of children suffering. They do not say how many child psychologists/psychiatrists will have to be employed, nor how 'temporary' the clinics are. My children are all adults now, but it is a matter of great concern that people are ignoring the laws and doing what they like as thought it will 'never happen' to them. I know that if I had any prior warning that one night when I went to bed that when I got up to go to work the next day my legs would give way I would have done something about it, but there are few warnings, and folks don't take notice if there are.

Hospital admissions increasing by 70% across the country
twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1303732351470579715?s=09

I’m generally a rule follower

My eldest son, his partner and daughter live away now, Ds2 lives at home my dad visits every weekend for about 4-6 hours

If we are all home we will be 7, the odds of that Happening are really low, so I doubt the 6 people will be an issue (obviously except for cousins etc which we simply wont see)

Except for Christmas, then we might...only might...be 7

The problem with the Covid rules is that they’re not consistent around the world and the science is
different depending on which scientist you listen to. I live in Spain and we have to wear masks everywhere, as soon as we leave our houses. There are certain exceptions for eating in restaurants and sport, however, we are in a worse place with contagion than the U.K. and the population here are much more compliant than the Brits. People are rightly questioning some of the more bonkers rules. The situations you mentioned have reason behind then, many of the rules to do with Covid don’t and as you will see here in Spain, they are not stopping the spread of the virus.

Hospital admissions increasing by 70% across the country
twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1303732351470579715?s=09

News off Twitter now really.

HeresMe go look at the official data then.

Hospital admissions are on the increase. Doesn't matter what platform its on - if its fact it's fact.

In general it is good that citizens consider the sense of any law before complying. For the vast majority of laws there are good reasons for them. There will be times though when breaking the law is the moral thing to do. I’m not saying this is one of them, but blind obedience is dangerous frankly. Plenty of examples throughout history where law breaking was the correct choice.

@malificent7 another rule that baffles me , you can go to the pub and get really drunk but at the same time you must stay alert .

in response to op , I am quite pro choice and I recent it when government makes it the law I think we should let the people decide and let them be responsible for their own actions and quite frankly if they make someone sick or possibly die that they love , let be on thire own head instead of government penalising people and treating adults like kids, have some faith in the public to do the right thing .

I don't normally meet up in very large groups of people pre lockdown as crowds are my pet hate and post lock post the maxim I meet up is 3 people, two house holds that are apart of my support network / bubble , everyone else I try keep my distance from and apart from my kid who just mixes with his class and his one chosen playdate thats in different school , I work from home before covid 19 . I am and my child is happy to choose to do this and not because of it the law and I would rather this then another big uk lock down again and being told to stay at home and only allowed out for hour exercise outside and just able to go food shopping .

amusedtodeath1

“..... it makes perfect sense if you think a bit deeper.”

Ah. There is the problem.

True , so true

I don't trust the government. They are ok with people meeting if money is being made.

To break the rule I would need to have more than 5 friends. Which.i.dont unless my imaginary friends count too

“Justontherightsideofnormal”

Not sure if that warrants a 😂 or a 💐.

So as one loner to another, 🍷

@Timeforanotherusername,
its not what its says on here. You can see the graph showing hospital admissions are quite low . twitter is not official platform for data and it can often have misinformation circulating around .

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

It seems to me that the government put rules in place to suit themselves, but they totally contradict what they want in place. Covid is a deadly disease. People should use due dilligence surrounding thier circumstances. The government, to me, seem to put economy over life and I for one will be using due dilligence which affect me and my family. I have always worn a mask when in enclosed places like shops, wash my hands/ sanitise my hands when out, and shop only when is absolutely needed.
The rule of face coverings and mask wearing should of been put in place from the get go in my opinion and that's what it is an opinion, no doubt it will offend some, but that's how I feel. We are all being treated like morons because of the minority of some people who behave like morons and feel they are invinsible to this virus