‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

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To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

I think it's something to do with the Government's lack of credibility on this subject. They had some very basic things wrong at the start of the pandemic, i.e. don't wear masks, no need to lock down, no need to quarantine foreign visitors, etc - and as a direct consequence we for a long time had the highest death rate per capita IN THE WORLD.

Also, Dominic Cummings showed us that using common sense in interpreting the prevailing rules has zero consequences, and when we can see that rules are totally different in England and Scotland+change every few weeks, I don't blame people for thinking the government is not credible and are therefore taking matters into their own hands in deciding what is safe and what isn't.

Personally, I'd feel much safer with 7 people from 2 households meeting up on our patio if all are working from home (illegal) than if meeting 6 people from different households in a crowded pub (legal). And that's just one of many examples!

It's also pretty obvious to me that if I get on multiple tubes surrounded by more than 6 people to get to the office, am surrounded by more than 6 people in the office all day, have to go out to buy lunch in a PRET which contains more than 6 people... I'd be much less safe than if I kept working from home, and invited the next door neighbours over at the end of the day for a couple of hours even if this means we are more than 7 people. I.e. these new rules have nothing to do with keeping people safe, rather I suspect the aim is to make it enforceable so they can start issuing fines to plug holes in the fiscal deficit.

This virus is OUR fault. Read what David Attenborough has to say on the subject. OUR over consumption has lead to habitat loss/biodiversity crisis and it’s getting worse. There will be more pandemics in the future if we don’t all stop being so f@@king selfish.

I’ve decided to stay at home and not spend any money on the high street at all. If I’m not going to see more than 6 people at home - fine, but they can’t pretend in the same breath that offices, public transportation, restaurants and shops are safe.

OP give it a rest

This virus is OUR fault. Read what David Attenborough has to say on the subject. OUR over consumption has lead to habitat loss/biodiversity crisis and it’s getting worse.

I agree we are over populated we should let it run its course.

I really hate human race right now - we are bloody killing this planet. We are constantly blaming others, looking out for ourselves, over consuming, medicalising any difficulty we have and taking no accountability for our actions.

I have so far abided by the rules pretty closely and are planning to continue to do so.

But the point at which I say the government can f** right off is by the 'six people' rule which means I can no longer have another family over for coffee, lunch or dinner. There are four of us in my household and most of our friends are in a family of four or five. Often one or several of the children are in the same class or year group in our local primary school so mix together daily.

From Monday the government would now fine me £100 if I would have them all over - but I could have two of them and that would be fine. Or I could send dh and ds to their house and the mum and her dd could come to my house at the same time and no one would be breaking the law. That's simply absurd.

Wales and Scotland have seen sense and excluded under 11s in the rule of six head count. But the government says for the morons such as the likes of us in England they have to keep it simple - so six people it is.

Luckily Dominic Cummings has given the nation such an excellent example of breaking the rules based on parental instinct so I am intending to follow it.

You need to look at population density and how much of a transport world hub the U.K. is versus your state or else the comparisons are meaningless! The U.K. has some of the busiest airports in the world!

I think people are sick of being Covid robots. Being told when to breath where to go where not to. I am sick of it. Rates in my local area are extremely low. The death toll nationwide is lower than ever but they want to stop us doing everything. It's about controling us now. Personally I think they want us to keep talking about covid because it's put brexit discussions on a back burner so they can do as they like regarding that because it's getting little coverage. Once those discussions are done and dusted they will probably say things are improving go back to normal.

At Christmas they’ll be begging us to go shopping on the high street to prop up the failing economy and they’ll probably ban us from mixing with other households on Christmas Eve.

I’ll follow your rules, up to a point but I’m not going to be a good little consumer not at the sane time.

@heresme - you could have a point there, but my mum would be dead. Being civilised is what sets us apart from other animal species.

Well as the rule of law didn’t apply to Dominic Cummins and this government are refusing to abide by the Brexit Agreement are you surprised people are not following these laws either😢

I'm a rule-follower rather than a rule-breaker, but many of the recently announced rules totally contradict each other.
For example, it's fine for 200+ schoolchildren to mix together 5 days a week, some of whom are arriving in buses with others, yet no more than 6 people can get together socially?
Also it's actively encouraged to return to workplaces, but you can't see others in their own homes?
Go figure!

The arbitrary nature of the rules makes me crazy. Recently on a packed BA flight sitting inches away from strangers for 2 hours. We ate snacks and drank water on the flight, so without masks for an hour - some are slow. How is that safer than having another couple and their 2 kids over for dinner (we are 3 in our house)?

Are most of you parents? Have children at school?

Would you rather they shut so you could keep on seeing family?

That could be a trade off?

We need to get the spread of this virus under control again so that may be the best route?

Its not good for the economy. But closing pubs / shops is probably worse.

It would be pretty shit for the kids but then there is no perfect solution.

Write to your MP.

The stats are showing transmission rates are much higher in domestic situations vs work or others hence the new restrictions.
There is no grey it’s based on statistics

Why let the facts get in the way of peoples common sense and their own risk assessments.

None of the posters on here are going to get Covid and they certainly aren't going to spread it

Not economically active while gathering socially so stuff that and otherwise get on with life as normal - is the underlying message.

I’m now fatalistic about getting it with the silver lining that if the worst happens I won’t have to live with this half arsed government another minute.

I appreciate choosing Corbyn instead might have made as much sense to many as voting for a haddock (anything to say on Covid 19 Mr Haddock - what’s that you want to talk about Sandra from Worksop and her late benefits claim) but good Christ how did we get to this. Vote green - at least Caroline Lucas isn’t an incompetent mental.

I'm not going to be following it... learnt my lesson from the Cummings Saga. Not going to bust my gut blindly following the rules to only find out that we can use our "parental instincts" or whatever bullshit the govt use.

That said I'm not taking risks. I'm using my common sense to mitigate as best as I can. But for us to visit my mum would make a group of 7. That's nothing compared to my daughter's school bubble of 270, my 5 school bubbles of up to 350 and my else started bubble of over 1,000 (sixth form college).

Given there's zero social distancing going on at work, I'm not going to worry too much about breaking the 6 rule, but I am strictly following social distancing.

Absolutely

Where we live the town centre is still not exactly busy and even when people were encouraged to dine out they weren’t in close proximity and businesses around here were limiting numbers and being sensible. The beaches local to us were a different matter-even through the latter part of lockdown hoards of visitors flicked to the beaches and sat in large groups-sometimes upwards of 20 or so. Just before the schools returned we saw the same thing -car parks rammed and locals avoiding beaches. I understand the scepticism about schools but most I know of (just like the local bars and so on) have done their best to arrange spaces around desks and ensure the safety of staff and children by using outdoor spaces more. It’s far from perfect but I’d imagine it’s lower risk than a flight or a group on the beach.

the reason places like schools, weddings and work places are ok is it is in a setting where people can enforce the rules. People were trusted to follow the rules and have proven they xabt be trusted. Act like a petulant child = be treated like a child that has to be watched

Generally I’m a stickler for the rules. But the rule of 6 is arbitrary and pointless. It’s like using your finger to plus a small hole in a sinking ship, but ignoring the fact that half the fucking ship’s missing (massive school bubbles, work, pubs, travel, restaurants etc etc etc). I completely get the logic in trying to get the economy back on track but I feel like I’m being gas-lighted by the government in accepting that this is a logical way forward.

If, as the government’s blame game suggests, it’s all the young people out partying and abusing social distancing then act to stop that. Give the police legal powers to intervene and the resources to deliver it. But I’m not sure I even buy that.

It looks like the main sources of transmissions in the recent data releases have been work, school, care homes and ‘other’ from the ONS stats. Other I presume includes household but what proportion? It’s not clear it’s households. (If someone has a better grasp of the data then please share....not meant at all as an arsey gauntlet!
I’m a rather lapsed microbiologist so if there is data to support I’d love to see it as it’s just depressing to think this is so badly devised).

It just doesn’t seem to be logical. And seems more about being a knee jerk reaction and the usual BJ Comms exercise in showing he’s ‘tough on the virus’ (cue the usual BJ fist gesturing to make his point better) It just feels all bluff and nonsense.

I do follow the rules and always have done but im getting pretty annoyed now that people like me are now being punished again to allow people like my father to continue spending every weekend in the pub getting pissed!!

Not even 1 year group sent home??
A local school has had 5 year groups isolating since early this week so you're way out with those "facts"