‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

I haven't seen my mum (in her mid 90s) since February. She lives in greater Manchester and I'm 200 miles away. I was supposed to go a couple of weeks ago and couldn't because I'm not "allowed" to meet her either inside her house or in the garden due to the local lockdown. I really want to go soon but her lockdown drags on. I'm seriously considering going anyway soon.

@Neron

Don't buy into that media claptrap.

I don't. This is what I have seen and heard with my own eyes. There's even examples on this thread.
Yes, the elderly were blamed at the start - and called selfish because they had 'lived their lives', and how they didn't care about the younger people.
Now, the younger people are being blamed for killing the older people. Except kids, because they are fine either way.

Agree with you Neron. Plus the messages at the start which also tried to ram home that younger people would probably just be a bit inconvenienced and annoyed by the virus and should keep washing their hands and singing (why did we still think this when the footage from Spain and Italy came in?)

There's also a bit of a heads or tails quality pinned on 'vulnerable'. One awful side of it being whether they should be given ventilator space, or be allowed to have treatment for other conditions which may be just as needed and stressful as the covid risk. Easy to try to make vulnerable just mean old and out of sight, out of mind, but again, that's just not true. Vulnerable also = workforce, and among kids. Vulnerable = might not know they could be vulnerable.

@CrunchyNutNC

costco these people who might be higher risk and not want to catch covid aren't all currently sitting at home twiddling their thumbs now.

They include doctors, nurses, midwives, paramedics, pharmacists, refuse collectors, lorry drivers, train drivers, bus drivers, shop workers, bank workers, electricity engineers, etc etc etc.

Send all these workers home and who is going to empty your bin, serve you in a shop, make sure you can withdraw money from the bank, drive the bus you need to get to go to the shops?

Yes. The thing is, higher risk is not "certain death" at all. Those people who have certain conditions are at higher risk of illness from many many diseases, not just Covid. What's annoying me is the concept that all people can be protected from all risks, which they simply can't.

costco if there were any rampant disease putting the higher risk group at risk they would also expect to be protected. It just happens to be the case that covid doesn't have a vaccine (that group are already likely to be vaccinated for flu) and is relatively easily spread.

Crikey the fuss made just because someone goes “no I won’t force one of my children to stay in their bedroom when my parents visit in our back garden because clearly the idea that two children meeting their grandparents = totally fine, three children = DEATH is insane.”

@froggygoneacourting

Crikey the fuss made just because someone goes “no I won’t force one of my children to stay in their bedroom when my parents visit in our back garden because clearly the idea that two children meeting their grandparents = totally fine, three children = DEATH is insane.”

Crikey the fuss made just because someone goes "no I won't get a cab home when I've had a drink that takes me only slightly over the drink driving limit."

Once society thinks it's fine to only follow rules they agree with we're on a slippery slope.

@rookiemere you seemed to have assumed quite a lot about my opinions on the economy. There are a number of things I don’t really agree with (including, to give an example from your post, making people go back to work so that the coffee shops can stay open). Doesn’t undermine my general point. Obviously diversification is one of the ways forward but it can’t happen if people don’t have the resources to kickstart it. And how do you know that the current situation is only going to last a few more months?

CrunchyNutNC that is a ludicrous false comparison and you know it.

Why froggy ?

The point is that once it becomes ok to only follow laws you like/agree with, and socially acceptable to say so, we're fucked.

But generally up to now, most laws have been sensible and proportionate and genuinely in people's best interest .

If the law was - for example - that you could not drive for 24hrs after eating a liqueur chocolate- then people would rightly ignore it, particularly if there was a dispensation that if you bought a pint of beer and had a liqueur chocolate in a pub you'd still be allowed to drive after that.

Also laws usually pass through scrutiny which this one hasn't. I will try to follow the Scottish variant of it - perhaps I will encourage my friends to join the gym I've recently joined and then the three of us can sit closely in the jacuzzi and have a good old natter. But I will not be insisting my DS follows it to the letter, his after school games of footballs with his mates have started to reduce the lockdown weight gain and increase his fitness and health. Following the rules would have only negative impact on him and he's in school all day with them anyway. If I have to pay a fine, I'll pay the fine.

I look after my granddaughter when my daughter works, but if my daughter enters my home then there are 7 of us me, 3 other children, my DH & GD, I think a bit of common sense is needed as she relies on me, so I have to basically hand over my GD at my door & my DD can’t come in?! I’ve done as I’m told the last 6 months, worn a mask, kept to the 2m rule etc....

Yet my DD can work with numerous people & serve members of the public it’s ridiculous!

I think the mood - and it is certainly my mood - is NOT F*K being smart about covid - distancing, hygiene, avoiding crowded places, wearing a mask etc etc. It is FK the government's stupid, arbitrary rules - go back to work, go to the pub, eat out, go to school BUT don't see grandparents, don't connect with friends. My rule is family first. The government's rule is economy first, so yes F*K their rules.

@BritWifeinUSA

Poor comparisons. Wearing a seatbelt or being sober when driving are known to dramatically improve your chances (and others) of arriving safely at your destination. And there are no shades of grey. You either are drunk or you’re not. You’re either belted up or you’re not.

I’m not in the UK but it seems the new rule of 6 doesn’t apply if you’re working, at a funeral, etc. It’s absolutely ridiculous to think you are “safe” at work or in a church in groups of more than 6 but not in your own home. Either the virus is dangerous or it isn’t. That would be like saying “you have to wear a seat belt unless you’re in a red car because red cars don’t crash”. Or “you can’t drink and drive unless it’s a Monday”. It’s just as random. The whole thing is a test of control. It’s worked with you.

EXACTLY THIS!! Either the virus is dangerous or it isn't it cannot be both. So logically neither can we be told to send kids to school with classes of upto 30. Or be told to go to work with up to 100 colleagues. Or have less that 6 friends or family members in our homes. We can either carry on with as much normality as possible or they need to fully lock it down again.

The trouble is that Boris doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He contradicts himself at almost every turn and you can even see and hear the experts looking at him strangely when he comments certain things.

If it isn't safe to be out with a group or more than 6, or be at home with a group of more than 6, then it isnt safe to be at school or at work either... period.

Most of these laws haven't followed proper process which is why people don't agree with them.

@rookiemere , i'm just waiting for everyone to pile in now teling you you're selfish and that you are not a scientist, and they know best, and laws are not up to you to interpret....etc. The latter is I suppose true, but it is also true that bad laws are unenforceable and counter-productive.

YANBU but let them get on with it..... it's £100 per person if they get caught.

Hopefully they will catch Covid and a fine.

It's called Karma and it's pronounce "HA!".

People have had enough. The rules make no sense now....

Personally we aren't visiting other households anyway too much risk as I am very high risk to the virus. We can't go anywhere where theres many people for instance shops with my son anyway because his autism, he just can't cope round people. But the new rule makes absolutely no sense. We are now having self isolate after less than a week of the kids being in school as my son started with a cough, am just hoping it's a common cold as I have also come down with it now and if its covid I don't stand a chance currently. Still awaiting test results which I doubt we will get anytime soon if we get them and to be honest his are probably void due to the battle trying to do the home test. The government need to focus on how to reduce spread through the schools as there are no effective safety measures in place. The teachers told me he'd been snotty in school so potentially if he has it then others in his class will have it, and their siblings in other classes and so on. This new rule is a complete joke when there are bigger issues to deal with.

I completely agree with you @Yellownotblue. We are all responsible for this Covid problem - humans are responsible. There is a horrific attitude by some - people not taking responsibility, people thinking it’s someone else’s problem. If my Christmas gets cancelled because it saves one persons life then it is completely worth. My mother is very vulnerable, I’m extremely worried about her and it’s agonising to see the attitude of others, when I simply want to protect her.

Even if I don’t agree with certain rules, I WILL follow them.

I think the new ‘rule of 6’ was introduced in order to give general guidance that big gatherings eg parties are not a good idea at the moment. And to enable easy enforcement - so the police or whoever can break up a house party where 50 people are crammed, sharing drinks, one toilet etc. So, conditions where Covid is likely to spread.

I really don’t think the powers that be care too much if Sarah and her three kids go round to visit Katie and her two kids, or whatever. Like with a lot of Covid related issues a lot of mumsnet posters are so intent on ‘the rules’ and seeing things in black and white that they miss the bigger picture.

@Plentyofshit

But Christmas getting cancelled would cause many more people to lose their lives from suicides!

YABU you sound like the sort of person that would have sold out Jews to the Nazis. These rules are not for your safety or anybody else’s, they are there to test your obedience. If the virus was that deadly and you or the rest of your flock genuinely believed that, I guarantee you wouldn’t leave your house. Say it was Ebola on the loose, I know for sure I wouldn’t be popping to Waitrose. If you still trust the government and believe the media propaganda after all their lies, misinformation, inaccurate death tolls, u-turns and ridiculous rules that are not even scientifically justified then there’s literally no hope for you. Enjoy your ‘new normal’ including a rushed unlicensed vaccination and lost freedoms that will never be returning. Stay Alert, Turn Off Your TV, Stop The Bullshit.

@ecosse - really???? One Christmas??? I’d say that’s a completely selfish attitude. A festival of indulgence over peoples lives. There are so many alternative ways to celebrate. I would rather my mental health suffered for a few months than me/or others be on a ventilator/death. My mum will probably be diagnosed with cancer next week. She needs escorting to hospital - I’m terrified of spreading anything to her. I’m so angry.

@jerby34

YABU you sound like the sort of person that would have sold out Jews to the Nazis. These rules are not for your safety or anybody else’s, they are there to test your obedience. If the virus was that deadly and you or the rest of your flock genuinely believed that, I guarantee you wouldn’t leave your house. Say it was Ebola on the loose, I know for sure I wouldn’t be popping to Waitrose. If you still trust the government and believe the media propaganda after all their lies, misinformation, inaccurate death tolls, u-turns and ridiculous rules that are not even scientifically justified then there’s literally no hope for you. Enjoy your ‘new normal’ including a rushed unlicensed vaccination and lost freedoms that will never be returning. Stay Alert, Turn Off Your TV, Stop The Bullshit.

Think this sums it up nicely. I'm shocked there are so many people falling for all the lies and so easily happy to comply.