‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

@MorrisZapp

Why do MNers insist on doing everything with their DH/DP and discount even the concept of doing things without him? Unless he's needed for caring or driving, leave him at home and visit your family. If you've got multiple kids take a few of them.

If you have loads of kids and no DH/DP then mix and match who you take to visit family or have some family round when the older ones are at school etc.

It's a pain in the arse, obviously. But I don't get the 'well there's six of us so we're fucked' responses.

Cos we don't all fucking live round the corner from our family.

I read a thread yesterday in which another poster talked about the the risks as a bank account. So our kids are back at school, mixing with others and like others, I think there's absolutely risk there for both pupils and students. So as a country/family/individual we have taken a huge withdrawal from our risk account. This means our balance is now low so all other things we do need to be carefully considered so we don't end up 'overdrawn '.

@littledrummergirl

During the first lock down my husbands uncle tried to drive to his sister to three times to comfort her after her husband passed away. Each time the police turned him back as against the rules. It later came out that Cummings had travelled across the country at this time, it wasn't law but guidelines and we should all use our common sense. I have been using my common sense and will continue to risk assess and live my life accordingly. I suspect that at some point this government will tell us that these rules are only guidelines and we were again stupid for following them without question. As for covid monitors- since when have we lived in a police state where we inform the authorities about minor infractions of arbitrary rules? If my neighbours want to see family then fine- they are adults and capable of their own risk assessments.

Protecting Cummings has reduced any credibility this government has about following the science to zero, eat out to help out compounded this and getting everyone back to work at the same time as schools and universities go back when they have been managing at home is just crazy.

We've had loads of big groups protesting, people travelling to other countries and not quarantining on return, people on planes with no masks but that's not the problem. The problem is two families totalling seven meeting in a park for a picnic.

Agree with every word of this.

I started to stop listening when a blind eye was turned to mass protests

I started to stop listening when a blind eye was turned to mass protests

Ah yes the very same protests which are actually still allowed under this new policy. No wonder some people will be making the decision to meet both grandparents.

COVID specific it seems, I think because some people just don’t care about others and don’t believe they will be caught. If they are, £100, small fry to many.
Being caught breaking those other examples have much more serious negative impacts on them personally.

roarfeckingroar

“I started to stop listening when a blind eye was turned to mass protests”

Can’t help hearing my mum years ago: “so, if daft Billy jumped off the roof, would you?”

I sometimes drive a little quicker than the legal speed limit, maybe 10-20% more, where in my best judgement, it's not very substantially more unsafe to do so, for me, my passengers or other road users.

I have on occasion dabbled, in a very small way, in less than legal natural and chemical substances.

I have been, and will continue, applying similar personal judgement to Covid restrictions, where the benefits seem to outweigh the perceived additional risk.

There has only been ( bar 1 )very small cases in the work place. Schools open over 3 weeks , not even 1 year group sent home

Clearly you're only considering your local region....

Schools here have been back just over a week and I can name 5 within a 30 mile radius where at least one year group and the associated staff members are now quarantining at home after someone in the bubble tested positive. Schools are workplaces for the staff !

Also, there have been at least 4 factories in the news where many staff members have tested positive. I can also recall 2 farms where staff have tested positive. Factories and farms are workplaces too.

Honestly, the blinkered view of some people is shocking.

Curious I enjoy reading your posts, in particular on FWR. You write very clearly and articulately.
Can you write my posts for me please?

We've only just started to see our family again in the last few weeks, me and my 2 children visiting my mum/stepdad and youngest brother in their house and sometimes my other brother and his partner and my little nephew are there too, we also meet up with my dad outside at NT places etc fairly regularly. Apart from that we don't see anyone else. The children have been back at school for a few days and we're already streaming with colds so probably wont be going to visit family at the moment anyway, I never do when we've got colds/bugs because I don't want everyone else to share my germs! When we've recovered from these colds though I'm going to carry on spending time with my family as normal when possible, I've already missed nearly half of my nephews first year of life and months of not seeing her children and grandchildren has made my mum pretty depressed and anxious.

Can’t help hearing my mum years ago: “so, if daft Billy jumped off the roof, would you

I hear that too every time Cummings is mentioned.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Can’t help hearing my mum years ago: “so, if daft Billy jumped off the roof, would you

I hear that too every time Cummings is mentioned.

But it's not the same, daft Billy is doing something that would hurt you. It's more 'if daft Billy does exactly what he wants for his own benefit, would you? `

I can't believe that MN allows posts to stand where they are encouraging people to break the law, just because they are Covid related.

Would they allow posts encouraging people to drink drive, rob banks, shop lift etc stand?

It's daft that I could sit in a tiny country pub with both sets of grandparents (albeit at different tables), with strangers from different households. Using cutlery/glasses/doors/toilets that other people have touched. But we are not allowed to sit in MIL's large living room on different sofas and have a cup of tea and a chat with no one else present but family. It makes no sense.

@MandosHatHair

It's daft that I could sit in a tiny country pub with both sets of grandparents (albeit at different tables), with strangers from different households. Using cutlery/glasses/doors/toilets that other people have touched. But we are not allowed to sit in MIL's large living room on different sofas and have a cup of tea and a chat with no one else present but family. It makes no sense.

But it does make sense if you step outside specific individuals!

In the pub people are adding to the economy and will be at a bit of a distance to each other, all those things will be being cleaned regularly and everyone will have been asked to use hand wash etc.

At home none of those things necessarily apply.

The risk in the pub is being balanced against the benefits to the economy.

The risk at home is being more closely managed as that is still where most infection is passed on.

It isn't supposed to be an equal risk assessment.

@MandosHatHair

It's daft that I could sit in a tiny country pub with both sets of grandparents (albeit at different tables), with strangers from different households. Using cutlery/glasses/doors/toilets that other people have touched. But we are not allowed to sit in MIL's large living room on different sofas and have a cup of tea and a chat with no one else present but family. It makes no sense.

Mando

Better to think macro level.

We need people working to avoid mass unemployment

We need education for children

Beyond that we can alter socialisation rules

I said at the start of this "pandemic" that I will make sensible decisions based on my personal circumstances, regardless of the stupid nonsensical blanket rules they bring in.

I'm still doing that and will continue to do that. If that makes me a selfish law breaker, so fucking what. It's not the first law I've broken and won't be the last.

@EDSGFC it's because current laws are not logical. We have a right to question our government and hold them to account. So if they brought in a law that said we all had to stand on our head and wear different coloured socks would you just do it without questioning why? That's where a society runs dangerously close to becoming a dictatorship.

I am in Scotland, I am abiding by the law but I cannot understand the logic that it's ok to be inside a pub of strangers where we all touch the same door handle to go to the loo but people cannot meet up outside in groups of larger than 15 from 5 different families - it just doesn't make any fecking sense but I'm still abiding by the rules. Eventually these rules will become so detrimental to the very fabric of our society that real and dangerous civil unrest is inevitable. I am not advocating it, I won't participate in it but it will happen. History tells us that.

OOooh! A hero is amongst us!

Sitting with acquaintances/strangers in a pub or restaurant you will still be at some distance from them (okay not 2 metres) touching your own food and drink and helping the economy. Most people will be fairly fit healthy adults.
In the family home you will be touching, hugging, kissing babies (who could resist) sharing utensils etc for a longer period. Children will have been at school mixing with others closely (be realistic) family groups are not always fit healthy people.
Not nice but realistic.
Figures in London show almost 20% of people will have been infected and "may" be immune (more work needed here) whereas in some areas of the country the rate is as low as 2-3%.

Haha Curious They might create their own little hotspot. A personal flurry

[quote Wishingforanotherlife]@EDSGFC it's because current laws are not logical. We have a right to question our government and hold them to account. So if they brought in a law that said we all had to stand on our head and wear different coloured socks would you just do it without questioning why? That's where a society runs dangerously close to becoming a dictatorship.

I am in Scotland, I am abiding by the law but I cannot understand the logic that it's ok to be inside a pub of strangers where we all touch the same door handle to go to the loo but people cannot meet up outside in groups of larger than 15 from 5 different families - it just doesn't make any fecking sense but I'm still abiding by the rules. Eventually these rules will become so detrimental to the very fabric of our society that real and dangerous civil unrest is inevitable. I am not advocating it, I won't participate in it but it will happen. History tells us that.[/quote]
They are logical if you look at the reasons behind them.

Government have decided that three things are essential - the economy, education and the NHS. In order for these to be kept running levels of Covid have to be kept as low as possible. Yes, opening schools or having pubs open will raise infection rates but it's about keeping them as low as possible.

Look at the diagrams of exponential growth. Removing just one or two interactions reduces the transmissions by a lot. This is what they are doing. Keeping the essential interactions but then reducing the social interactions.

I've said it in another post. Imagine you are on a diet. One day you eat too much. On its own it won't impact your weight loss that much, maybe you won't lose any weight or put a tiny bit on, but it's manageable. If however, you think "sod it. I've eaten too much today so I won't diet all week now" then the impact will be much bigger.

That's what's happening. We have a budget of interactions. Over spend in one area - schools, work - and we have to cut back in other areas - socialising - in order to keep on budget.

It's not hard to understand

Please correct me if I am wrong but I have read the government advice and it says 2 households who exceed 6 people can meet as long as they practice social distancing, this is very important for large families who still want to grandparents. Otherwise if you have 5 children do you need to now get rid of one to be able to go out?

@katedan

Please correct me if I am wrong but I have read the government advice and it says 2 households who exceed 6 people can meet as long as they practice social distancing, this is very important for large families who still want to grandparents. Otherwise if you have 5 children do you need to now get rid of one to be able to go out?

That's the old rules isn't it?

The new law, as of Monday, is 6 people in total.

Sorry, should add, with the exception of a support bubble