To ask if you find Cardi B WAP offensive or liberating?

[Louise000000]

Just that really, I'm undecided. I think it depends on what mood I'm in.
On one hand she's only using language that male rappers have been using for decades and it is liberating that a woman can express herself in an obviously sexual way and why not?
On the other some of the lyrics are absolutely mad
'swipe your nose like a credit card'
'touch that little dangly thing that swings at the back on my throat' 😂

What do you think?

Can't prove it myself and I always believe people can claim anything online but I've seen @SimonJT around the MN-sphere and s/he (sorry can't assume your sex either. Don't remember if you've ever mentioned it) has always referred to him/herself as asian/brown. Unless Simon knew this post was coming in future in order to claim "non white", I'll take the identity in the other posts.

@lookatallthosechickens

Ah yes, the convenient 'but how do you know I'm white?' ploy. An absolute classic.

If *@simonJT is able to prove to us that he is, in fact, not white, I will donate £100 to the charity of his choice, my only caveat that it be registered and not overtly religious. Obviously this might be tricky, so if someone from MNHQ can verify with him privately, I'll be happy to take their word for it, and they can similarly verify my donation.

I remember reading a thread about something else, months ago, where it was obvious that Simon JT wasn't white.

oops sorry I forgot to add my asterisk note:

*being non-white doesn't mean you can't be anti-Black, so while this is a genuine offer no matter what variety of non-white our pal Simon might be, it doesn't actually add any weight or meaning to anything he's said. I'm just tired of white folks on the internet pretending to be non-white when they think it suits them. Literally every discussion of racism on the internet has someone on the racist side popping up with BuT MAyBE I'M nOt AcTuallY wHiTe like some kind of Schrodinger's white guy in a box.

@lookatallthosechickens

Ah yes, the convenient 'but how do you know I'm white?' ploy. An absolute classic.

If *@simonJT is able to prove to us that he is, in fact, not white, I will donate £100 to the charity of his choice, my only caveat that it be registered and not overtly religious. Obviously this might be tricky, so if someone from MNHQ can verify with him privately, I'll be happy to take their word for it, and they can similarly verify my donation.

Ah, so now you’re denying my ethnicity because I disagree with your stance 😂

Pretty sure nobody has to prove anything to anyone

lookatallthosechickens Nobody asked you either, hun, but here you are, having an opinion, just like literally everybody else is allowed to do.

being non-white doesn't mean you can't be anti-Black,

I fully agree but I think assuming someone is white because they don't agree with something about racism is a big gaffe though. Not every black person will agree either. So SimonJT could have been black and still had the same opinion.

I hadn’t heard of it (too old!) till a colleague mentioned the dong and i googled the lyrics.

I find it crass TBH. Then seeing the credits to to 6 people. It took 6 to write a song like that? Fucking talenless.

#song not dong

#talentless

I have fat fingers 🤷🏼‍♀️

You know you have an over-inflated sense of entitlement when you're expecting that MNHQ will verify someone's ethnicity just because they don't agree with you

@IAmFleshIAmBone

You know you have an over-inflated sense of entitlement when you're expecting that MNHQ will verify someone's ethnicity just because they don't agree with you

Also ironic that someone complains that they believe something is racist then exposes themself as a racist. Bit awkward.

Fair do’s, I did assume that SimonJT was white. No one has to prove anything, but if he’s black I’ll eat my hat.

Doesn’t change the mansplaining though, does it?

@SimonJT you might not be white, feel free to take me up on my offer to prove it if you care what I think, or if you want £100 for your favourite charity. It is a fact, however, that nearly every discussion of racism on the internet includes someone suddenly claiming not to be white or (as in your case) saying 'who says I'm white?' or 'I might not be white'. Never fails. So I'm suspicious.

@Polkasquare, yes it’s about sun cream and how it’s not necessary for his skin but his son is lighter.

Not that he needs to prove anything.

A man on the Internet doesn't agree with me so he must be 'mansplaining'. Do get a grip.

[quote geekone]@Polkasquare, yes it’s about sun cream and how it’s not necessary for his skin but his son is lighter.

Not that he needs to prove anything.[/quote]
Hmmm no, I haven't read that one.

@IAmFleshIAmBone

A man on the Internet doesn't agree with me so he must be 'mansplaining'. Do get a grip.

Agreed. I thought mansplaining was

“what my wife was trying to say!”

Sort of shit.

(PS it wasn't me who called our pal Simon white, it was another poster, and even if he isn't white, I don't think his race improves his asinine opinions about white guys doing racist impressions of Black music. I just know that the 'suddenly not white' card is an absolute hallmark of people with terrible opinions about race and I would genuinely be surprised if that weren't the case here)

@geekone quite!

@IAmFleshIAmBone

A man on the Internet doesn't agree with me so he must be 'mansplaining'. Do get a grip.

At least this time I haven’t been PM’d by someone requesting that I don’t invent stupid hairstyles and post them on MN. I didn’t realise it was me who invented one of the five Ks of Sikhism...

At least this time I haven’t been PM’d by someone requesting that I don’t invent stupid hairstyles and post them on MN. I didn’t realise it was me who invented one of the five Ks of Sikhism...

Ooh, you oughta cash in on that invention, it might take off

@lookatallthosechickens is there a reason why you purposely capitalise the word black, but not white?

@StartingGrid I'm assuming you don't have google, so:

www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black.html
www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/20/associated-press-style-guide-capitalize-black
apnews.com/7e36c00c5af0436abc09e051261fff1f
www.cjr.org/analysis/language_corner_1.php

Some people also capitalise white, I choose not to because I see Black as a distinct culture in a way that white is not. Irish, German, Spanish, yes- white, no. Some smart people disagree with me- not that white is a culture equivalent to Black, but because not capitalising white sets up white as the default and Black as the exception.

I hope this was a genuine question and not an intro into some kind of 'reverse racism' garbage.

It's gross and utterly unappealing. If somethings gross or wrong or offensive when a man says it, it's still gross/wrong/offensive if a woman says it. Nothing liberating about it, as far as I can see.

Er no, not even remotely liberating.

Also completely lacking in talent. The lyrics are embarrassing.