To ask if you find Cardi B WAP offensive or liberating?

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Just that really, I'm undecided. I think it depends on what mood I'm in.
On one hand she's only using language that male rappers have been using for decades and it is liberating that a woman can express herself in an obviously sexual way and why not?
On the other some of the lyrics are absolutely mad
'swipe your nose like a credit card'
'touch that little dangly thing that swings at the back on my throat' 😂

What do you think?

[quote lookatallthosechickens]@SimonJT stop calling Black people ridiculous when they point out racism to you. Thanks in advance.[/quote]
Suggesting the cover is racist is absolutely pathetic.

It is pretty shit but then Cardi B would never be my choice as a role model for young girls.

I am probably too old to be into rap especially commercial rap with its over use of swearing and misogyny.
The only rap artist I will admit to listening to is Tom McDonald but he is not main stream nor is his target audience my age but still I do like the vast majority of his stuff.

@Griefmonster a-fucking-men. A song about how fun date rape is, is offensive. A song by women, about women enjoying consensual sex is not. Anyone who doesn't see that or agree with it should get therapy quick.

Grief it was just Robin Thicke though , it was written / co-written by Pharrell "Happy" Willliams .

Why does he get airbrushed out of the hate ?

I have it in my head now .

Not my thing but why shouldn't we behave like men? Might be more liberaring is she dressed in baggy jeans and tshirts though with trainers on.

@LolaSmiles "There seems to be a lot of boundary eroding going on and a push to normalise women being involved in sex that's all about male fantasy."

That seems to ring true. If I understand it, according to CardiB it's not about her sexual pleasure it's about the money she can make off of sexually pleasuring men? Where is the actually empowering emphasis on women being sexually pleasured by men?

oops it wasn't just

@SimonJT - but it is racist. It is absolutely steeped in a white supremacist power dynamic. Try to see what @lookatallthosechickens has written with the various examples. Be a little bit curious as to why a black person would see a "pastiche" of black creativity as offensive.

[quote Griefmonster]**@SimonJT* - but it is racist. It is absolutely steeped in a white supremacist power dynamic. Try to see what @lookatallthosechickens* has written with the various examples. Be a little bit curious as to why a black person would see a "pastiche" of black creativity as offensive.[/quote]
It really isn’t racist, suggesting a white person can’t cover a song performed by a non-white person because its ‘racist’ is nothing but ridiculous.

I can't stand her, or what she thinks she is representing in order to make money.

Give me Nicki Minaj anytime. She's talented and she was there first

neither it's just a shit, boring song. They try to shock with the lyrics and video to get attention for their otherwise dull music.

Which way does the voting work?

it's vile. And I feel much the same about a lot of male rap/videos too.

I've not heard of her before. But I am uninspired by someone who doesn't know what their uvula is called...

I've never quite understood how women emulating aspects of male reprehensible behaviour was empowering for the majority and a good thing for society in general.

Bit like the Ladette culture in the 90's !

Young people always think they invented sex and forget that all the orifices and acts involving them have been done since time began, although they do come up with new words for them from time to time. Old people did it first. Remind them of that and they cringe a lot.

@SimonJT try a bit harder. Go back, read the examples and engage the critical thinking bits of your brain that are seeking to see a different view rather than confirming your bias that it's all PC gawn maaaaaad

@70isaLimitNotaTarget I was referring more to the combination of rapey lyrics and subsequent accusations of domestic abuse. AFAIK Pharrell did the music and has not had a restraining order put in place by an ex. But if he does, then I absolutely include him in the dodgy fucker group with Thick

I see it as a bit of a novelty. Lil' Kim rapped about similar stuff 20 years ago with "How Many Licks". Don't think anyone batted an eyelid back then to be honest.

[quote Griefmonster]@SimonJT try a bit harder. Go back, read the examples and engage the critical thinking bits of your brain that are seeking to see a different view rather than confirming your bias that it's all PC gawn maaaaaad

@70isaLimitNotaTarget I was referring more to the combination of rapey lyrics and subsequent accusations of domestic abuse. AFAIK Pharrell did the music and has not had a restraining order put in place by an ex. But if he does, then I absolutely include him in the dodgy fucker group with Thick[/quote]
I don’t need to go back, I’m well aware that it isn’t racist, suggesting it is racist is whats ridiculous.

@Anordinarymum

I can't stand her, or what she thinks she is representing in order to make money.

Give me Nicki Minaj anytime. She's talented and she was there first

@Anordinarymum

Not much better lyrics though

“ Yes I do the cooking
Yes I do the cleaning
Yes I keep the nana real sweet for your eating
Yes you be the boss yes I be respecting
Whatever that you tell me 'cause it's game you be spitting”

Neither, Not a fan of the song but I’m weirdly drawn to Cardi b

For fucks' sake @SimonJT that's not what I said. I said that a white person covering a Black artist's music purely to mine it for humour and to try to make it look ridiculous via the contrast is racist. That's what Biffy Clyro was (were? not sure if that's the guy's name or the band's name) doing.

If you actually want to learn, instead of just being reactionary and calling a Black woman ridiculous for trying to educate you about racism, you could read up on the history of blackface minstrels as a starting point to see how and why this sort of cover a racist and nasty thing to do.

Any artist doing a cover out of genuine appreciation and respect, not as a joke, is fine, but white people lost the right to do jokey covers of Black music the first time they decided to do a bit of slavery. Sorry if you find this to be a devastating loss, or whatever.

Neither. It's just shite. I'd argued that true liberation would involve actually discussing sexual acts which women enjoy. Most women don't enjoy choking on dick.

Also if your fanny is like a pot of macaroni, seek medical attention.

Not liberating at all, just desperate to be controversial. I love hip hop, always have, yet I know male rappers chat shit; do we really need to come down to their level.

• some make rappers