To ask if you find Cardi B WAP offensive or liberating?

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Just that really, I'm undecided. I think it depends on what mood I'm in.
On one hand she's only using language that male rappers have been using for decades and it is liberating that a woman can express herself in an obviously sexual way and why not?
On the other some of the lyrics are absolutely mad
'swipe your nose like a credit card'
'touch that little dangly thing that swings at the back on my throat' 😂

What do you think?

because I see Black as a distinct culture in a way that white is not. Irish, German, Spanish, yes- white, no.

I am actually curious about it because there was just a massive blowout about all black people not being same culture but like other skin colour distinctly different as African-American will have different culture to Black British or African or Carribbean. Kind of like white American will be different to white Russian? Different culture, values, morals. It was actually really interesting.

It's grown on me particularly because of the criticism.

It's progress in that a woman can make a song like that and not be called all osorts of names or censored.

I don't agree with a lot of Male content out there- some of it is vile, misogynistic, stupid, ridiculous etc., but men have the freedom to make it and it does not invite backlash or men being told to be "gentleman-like" or "nice" or "respectful". So in the policing of women

The question of liking it or whether it is art is another story. But we always hold women to a higher standard that is quite unfair in the content they produce. Why can't a woman make a bubblegum trashy record for fun? Men do it and it doesn't define their career.

Also it's a song for adults by adults, if the concern is children or teens listening to inappropriate music, that is the responsibility of parents to filter the content their children are watching. I have filters on YouTube that I have to turn off to watch it so it is quite simple to stop your children having access to inappropriate content.

@SchrodingersImmigrant I am Black and American (though I am permanently settled in the UK) so that definitely colours (lol) my feelings and opinions on the subject. I don't have the luxury of knowing what part of Africa my ancestors came from. I am just Black (not black). I do have lots of Black British friends though and they also tend to feel that they are part of larger Black culture while at the same time being part of West Indian culture, or Nigerian culture, etc. Obviously I can't speak for every Black British person (or every Black American person for that matter) but that does seem to be the prevailing feeling.

Heard this for the first time today, having avoided it thus far. Was so bored I switched off halfway through it - I’m not a huge rap fan anyway but this song is classless and really unoriginal. As an earlier poster said, however ~empowered we’re meant to think the artists are it’s still for men and about men, and I don’t find that empowering at all. It’s one dimensional and it’s just boring.

It's progress in that a woman can make a song like that and not be called all osorts of names or censored.

Lil Kim and Missy Elliot have been doing it for decades, and they actually have talent. This is nothing new.

@lookatallthosechickens thanks. I was curious after that blow out on Sm

@lookatallthosechickens I do have google, however I wouldn't have thought to search to see if what seemed like a particular quirk of your typing had accompanying articles when I could have just asked you. I can't say I've ever particularly noticed anyone capitalising white - that too also would appear to me aesthetically jarring in a sentence.

She is talentless and has completely misunderstood liberation.

@SchrodingersImmigrant I think the Adele cutural appropriation furore is a prime example of different countries having different takes on what should and should not be acceptable.

OP, my sincere thanks - because of this thread I watched the Ben Shapiro clip and laughed immoderately.

MN has had its first David Webb moment😃

For those who don’t know David Webb go on YouTube and look up David Webb white privalege

Offensive and vile.

I love many types of music. However I prefer the Biffy Clyro cover tbh. And before anyone screeches about me/it being racist/sexist I'm a black woman.

I love it for so many reasons. It is taking the power back from misogyny. The females singing are very in control of their representation. Not some poor girls compromising themselves and they are highlighting that that is still a real issue and their past.

Asking 'is it offensive or liberating? ' suggests that your still looking to others to validate what you feel, how you should act, and what you value.

The girls who made this don't give a fuck! It was made to be derisive. They are rich, love their lives, priorities their sex needs and there own value and freedom. Love their beautiful bodies 😜 Cardi.

I've been told in a `bad feminist' before because I'm proud of women who are Liberal and love themselves. See the game and play it.

Mass deciding how women should or shouldn't be and punishing them for 'being out of line' is exactly what we have been fighting forever.

Jesus Christ now it's not not enough to be persecuted for being black but now we have to prove our race to arseholes on the internet for no reason other than for a power trip.

And yes @lookatallthosechickens I'm talking about you. Whatever race you are it is never ok to try and force someone to do what you command them to just because they disagree.

@ZoeTurtle

It's progress in that a woman can make a song like that and not be called all osorts of names or censored.

Lil Kim and Missy Elliot have been doing it for decades, and they actually have talent. This is nothing new.

They are called all sorts of names and censored. Love lil Kim and missy but the fact that this is Still a conversation is sad. Cardi and Megan like everyone else have followed precedence but I still think they're great 😁

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[quote StartingGrid]@SchrodingersImmigrant I think the Adele cutural appropriation furore is a prime example of different countries having different takes on what should and should not be acceptable.[/quote]
This is really interesting. I've never understood cultural approbation, except once in an art gallery in vancouver ☹️. I think you might be right different countries have different experience and therefore different responses.

I find it really childish. It’s probably because I’m old and no longer giggling at the idea of women having sex, because the word pussy refers to a cat and because consolidated did it so much better with you suck in the early 90s.

Nothing that refers to women as whores can be liberating.

Neither offensive or liberating. Just crass, as it is when male rappers use that language too.

@Athrawes

Nothing that refers to women as whores can be liberating.

Everything calling women whores is liberating, slut, bitch, cunt, hormonal, hysterical, mad, psycho, stalker. These were words meant to put women down. Do you, don't let that masoginy have power anymore. Laugh your ass off when they put you down and know your worth.

Copying men is not liberating.

As a man I agree.

It's a bit like a POC supporting the BNP to exercise their freedom of choice.

Ironically only ever been called these things by guys I wouldn't fuck. 😂 So what if I'm a 'slut'? A 'slut' that won't touch you! . That must sting... Can't even get the 'easy' girl😩. She must be a bitch or a psycho!

😂😂😂😂🤔 Yeah don't give that shit any power.

@ForrestTrump

Copying men is not liberating.

As a man I agree.

It's a bit like a POC supporting the BNP to exercise their freedom of choice.

Cause men invented everything and women just turned up on this planet along with covid. Fuck the Fuck off! Just fuck off.

History had alot of Liberal women. This shit is not new.

Choice!!! Poc can support bnp if they want. That's freedom. I wouldn't but who the hell are you to say what's liberating???