To think hate speach against mums on Instagram / YouTube should be make a crime

[Bekindnotabully]

With social media it's allowed amazing ways to communicate with people. But it's also allowed trolling and harrasment to happen at unprecedented scale.

Sites like tattle life and increasing Mumsnet allow people to troll women that make their living out of social media and the current rules in place don't allow the police to identify and bring to justice the trolls. You can pretty much say what you like including bullying someone over their appearance and their parenting with zero repreciousons. It's not on and needs to change.

I could go on but aibu to think these rules need to change? People are taking their own lives and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection.

Why do mums get protection but not women who haven't had kids? Do we not count?

bekind was that some sort of veiled threat, about tracing people back to their IP addresses?

I’ll ask again- show me the screen shots of MNs making threats or abusive language. Show us. I’ll be the first to condemn it!

And Susie herself writes for the daily fail, hypocrisy at its bloody best! Consumers are savvy and will call out this kind of duplicity PDQ.

this thread only serves to enhance the already stroppy SBS brand image that has so far emerged in recent days.

@MarshaBradyo

The screen shot from below on invasion of privacy. This should be applied to the dc first.

Exactly!

Setting yourself up and having your privacy invaded is one thing but setting your children up to have their privacy and childhood invaded is quite another.

Parents are supposed to protect their children, not expose them to this sort of thing.

invasion of privacy.....so took me next to no time to find her village and sons school

from her insta posts. easy

they need to protect their kids!!

Alternatively get a 'regular' job and don't post your life and parenting PUBLICLY in order to make a living from it.

OP, please can you link to where people are being "ripped limb by limb" for context?

For example, your friend Susie (Styled by Susie for those not in the know) made much of people naming her child on forums, going so far as accusing them of being bullies for doing so - but her child is named by Susie herself in an article she had published in a national newspaper. You've identified their gender in this very thread! The hypocrisy is outstanding.

@Bekindnotabully

This thread isn't about Susie. It's about the harassment of women that use social media for their work. Did you read the title??

There’s already laws for harassment though. So what are you proposing over and above this? Can you give an example?

Like what would be your definition of hate speech against influencers and you tubers? What would be the intended punishments if convicted?

Do not you foresee challenges between influencers who will always say negative comments and criticism should be banned vs free speech? What about the challenges in interpreting which comments are hate speech and which are not?

Is saying ‘I feel sorry for X’s kid’ (because the child is filmed by the parent for daily vlogs) hate speech or an opinion?

harassment @Bekindnotabully what harassment? can you expand on that?

Wait, but if the police are involved then there are actually already laws to protect these “mums” ??

So what particularly messages (please show them) do not break any existing laws but you believe are so vile that they should be deemed hate speech (but are not currently under current hate speech definitions)?

Honestly I’m so confused.

"...and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection."

This is not clear OP. Was your petition to protect just Mums or people in general using social media? Explain what you mean by them getting greater human rights, and what that would mean to the human rights of a person who does not fit this category?

Presumably the influencer who has the police involved has been the victim of actual threats.

@Bekindnotabully Susie only has been the victim of criticism.

Influencer culture should be a crime.

I don’t agree with actual online trolling, which consists mostly of celebs getting comments from fake profiles calling them names and telling them to kill themselves. That is not on.

But people on Tattle sharing opinions on the lies and false pretences that insta famous nobodies dish out on their public social media profiles to line their pockets? Completely acceptable. If you put yourself out there be prepared to be criticised.

The majority of people are sick to death of these people pimping their kids lives online with swipe up after swipe up! Instagram used to be where people mainly posted what they were having for lunch. It’s basically a shopping site now and a platform for nobodies to think they are something.

@Bekindnotabully

It's one thing fair commentary but another thing ripping someone apart limb by limb for every post. That's not on.

Another insta mum now has daily police contact and they can trace users with their ip address in a matter of minutes on Instagram, tattle or Mumsnet. All these people hiding behind fake accounts will be unmasked and for their own sake should start to treat people with respect.

You still haven't provided any examples of the venom you say is being directed towards the Susie person you started this thread about.

The no caller ID on the screen shot you posted could be her gas company for all we know - this doesn't strengthen your argument in any way.

Is this another case of a nobody wanting to be a somebody and so jumping on a bandwagon to become relevant.

I had no idea who she is so I looked. Her posts look terrible. I don't think her style is that good. I do feel pity for her children. They didn't ask for this. If you class that as hate speech then you need to pull your head out of your arse.

Just because it might give her the sadz doesn't mean you can deny people their opinions.

I had a job where I got abuse and harassment from members of the public. It affected me terribly so I left. I know other people who did the same. This can happen in a lot of jobs. In my case my employer did not really support me and I was left to deal with it myself. The abuse was as a result of decisions I had to make as part of my job.

If you are an influencer and you feel your health is being affected similarly, you too can leave to do something else.

op the more you post the stupider you come across
Either you are way over invested is someone you don't even know
Or you are the instagrammer in question

I’m really confused about the screenshot of the mobile phone calls you posted too. Can you given more background for my understanding, please?

From what I can see, she had a call from a private number at 12.34pm and another at 8.45pm. She also had several calls to and from someone named Daniel who I assume she knows as she has his named saved.

Are you saying the private numbers are harassment? Q

She has brought this on herself. I paid a fortune for services and I wasn't happy with them - complained politely and asked if we could discuss and got shot down and blocked. No one has 'personally attacked' her - people have spoken out about the business.
If you run your business in a complete bubble free from allowing any complaints, criticism or looking at how it could improve.. Then you pay for marketing advice from someone who appears to be unqualified at best to advise on that size of business - you need to be ready for said business to implode. I can only help her yes women to date can help her through the difficult time ahead.

ahhh op.....so tattle are saying you are known to susie and susie herself has said some bitchy things about you previously. Are you posting this shite so she will think better of you and invite you into her 'circle'?

is that what this is about?

@Bekindnotabully
I think I feel more sorry for my colleagues (mostly not well paid women) working in child protection who in the line of duty are threatened by men with known violent pasts.
I attended CP case conference with a Primary school teacher, Health vistor policeOffice, Social Worker and probation officer when the Father of child on register threatened to rape the social worker and said he'd find out where we live and hurt our children I was terrified but felt even worse for his probation officer a very young looking Asian woman who was shaking.
I work in health and don't bring my children to work.

Is there anything specific that the current law doesn't cover and you feel it should?

I do feel that threats (such as rape threats) should be treated a lot more seriously, but disagree it should be sex specific or that mums should receive further protection.

There was a hideous case of a youtuber with MH difficulties who was constantly goaded into committing suicide, which is what he ultimately did sadly. Those people should be prosecuted indeed.

You’re embarrassing your “friend”.

@VodselForDinner I’m really confused about the screenshot of the mobile phone calls you posted too. Can you given more background for my understanding, please?

*From what I can see, she had a call from a private number at 12.34pm and another at 8.45pm. She also had several calls to and from someone named Daniel who I assume she knows as she has his named saved.

Are you saying the private numbers are harassment?*

That post was stupid and needs some clarification. Those pictures are from a different influencers IG account. Not Susie who the OP has been referring to. I believe the OP was trying to subtly hint that the issue with her friend Susie is big enough to warrant police engagement and IP tracking, which it is not. I have no idea who the influencer is she's screen shotted or why the issues are with her, but she goes on to say that the police don't open up an investigation unless there is a legitimate threat. And I think everyone who has done their research and followed these posts knows that there are no legitimate threats on here to her friend Susie despite what they believe. No threats. Just business criticism and a bit of criticism about the style of a personal stylist.

OP is just trying. To intimidate with those screen shots and add fuel to the fire 🙄

I can't deal with all the nonsense smoke-up-arse stuff that seems to come whenever Instamums are mentioned.

If you actively seek to open your home, your life, your world to the nation or the world via social media, of course arseholes are going to behave like arseholes towards you. Given that we already have laws against hate speech and harassment, what on earth is meant to happen above and beyond those laws to provide extra protection to people who've deliberately invited strangers to view their lives?

If you don't want the world picking apart your life, behave cautiously with social media and don't expose yourself in this way. It's not a career, it's not admirable and from the threads that happen on here, it's also not "mums begging up other mums" - it's showing-off, oneupmanship and unkindness dressed prettily in fairy lights.