To think hate speach against mums on Instagram / YouTube should be make a crime

[Bekindnotabully]

With social media it's allowed amazing ways to communicate with people. But it's also allowed trolling and harrasment to happen at unprecedented scale.

Sites like tattle life and increasing Mumsnet allow people to troll women that make their living out of social media and the current rules in place don't allow the police to identify and bring to justice the trolls. You can pretty much say what you like including bullying someone over their appearance and their parenting with zero repreciousons. It's not on and needs to change.

I could go on but aibu to think these rules need to change? People are taking their own lives and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection.

@silentpool

Who decides what is hate speech?

Depends on your view of the legal system do you start from the top or the bottom?

Jury
Judge
Cps
Police
Government ministers
Mps in general
The voting public.

I think it's high time "influencers" were stopped tbh. There's so many of them pimping their children out before they've got a chance to say they don't want that. You see everything, from potty training to bath time. There's no privacy, it's all for money. Some of their parenting choices are questionable, imho, but they get away with it because they're off the telly or are popular on Instagram. Tattle exists because you can't say a word on their profiles.

I don't know a lot about SBS other than she tells everyone that they're "a girl next door with an edge" and everyone suits a pleated skirt with a chunky white trainer (they don't). I've not read the threads on here, or tattle, about her but if she's living her life on SM then she's bound to get talked about. She could change it in a second, but like I said, it's all about money.

Accusing people who are simply dissatisfied customers of trolling and bullying is offensive to real victims of this.

Members of the Styled by Susie group on Facebook have been accused of leaking personal information, laughing at customers, making fun of Susie's appearance and making threats. These unproven accusations are being held up as the reason the Facebook page is closing and moving to Patreon where it will cost £6 a month.
It's utter nonsense, disingenuous, gas-lighting and attention seeking. And the sad things is that the other employees and some of the loyal followers believe it.

@Bekindnotabully what are these hateful posts you speak of? Could you quote them? As a pp said, MN should be able to retrieve them for Susie's lawyers. But you know as well as I do, that they don't exist. 😊

I’ve just read her blurb for her services and I am getting itchy teeth as it says there will be a coffee and a “de-brief” with the stylist BEFORE the session. I I thought de-brief happens AFTER something?!? Someone should have checked the copy.

Also the language on the site seems on the whole professional and scans well (apart from the thing above) so why is the voice in the PDF so different? If I got a session which the followed up with a “wow babes, you’re amazing hun!” I wouldn’t be able to match them up 🤨

Accusing people who are simply dissatisfied customers of trolling and bullying is offensive to real victims of this

Very much this. I had a quick look at Tattle and the 'trolling' seems to be disgruntled customers who are dissatisfied at the service they've received.

However, it's seems to be a well known tactic of influencers to cry 'bully' as soon as someone says anything that could be vaguely perceived as criticism, however valid. Sali Hughes did the same thing but all they're doing is driving people to find out the truth.

There is a power dynamic between someone with thousands of followers and a member of the public. The influencer controls the narrative.

And they still get upset when people gossip and critique?

Influencers are a massive part of popular culture now. Popular culture is fair game for discussions. Without the attention there wouldn't be any money. I am baffled that there is a mindset that thinks there should be all the attention and the income stream but no adjacent gossip. On what planet would that work?

It's one thing fair commentary but another thing ripping someone apart limb by limb for every post. That's not on.

Another insta mum now has daily police contact and they can trace users with their ip address in a matter of minutes on Instagram, tattle or Mumsnet. All these people hiding behind fake accounts will be unmasked and for their own sake should start to treat people with respect.

@Bekindnotabully

It's one thing fair commentary but another thing ripping someone apart limb by limb for every post. That's not on.

Another insta mum now has daily police contact and they can trace users with their ip address in a matter of minutes on Instagram, tattle or Mumsnet. All these people hiding behind fake accounts will be unmasked and for their own sake should start to treat people with respect.

What relevance is this to SBS? Which is why you posted this thread.

Yet another example of threats from the SBS camp. No wonder people are using an alias for the Trustpilot reviews (knowing that the would be targeted if they used their own name and also having the evidence that they have indeed purchased services and that their review is genuine).

This thread isn't about Susie. It's about the harassment of women that use social media for their work. Did you read the title??

@Bekindnotabully

This thread isn't about Susie. It's about the harassment of women that use social media for their work. Did you read the title??

No, it’s not about the harassment of “women”, it’s about the harassment of “mums”, according to your thread title.

Why do you think that a woman who has had children deserves more protection than a woman without children, or a dad?

This whole thing is absolutely batshit. Woman starts business where people pay her to dress them in boring Next clothes, customers complain about it online, which apparently is bullying now. And there's dubious 'evidence' that someone from Tattle is calling her or something? Oh and the huntag #bekind is in heavy rotation I see.

I went on tattle out of curiosity.

Some of the threads against celebs are an absolute disgrace: vile, abusive and plain nasty. THAT should not be allowed and I can't understand why we are happy with the right to call a celebrity "an absolute bitchy cunt" because you dislike her dress

That said, the threads I have seen about Susie are nowhere near like that, there is a lot of negativity but about her business and the only comment about her child refer to an article about her, and comments SHE made in it. Nothing to do with her lifestyle choice!

So refusing hate speech is one thing, but OP you want to ban what, negative opinion? Come on, review sites have been there for awhile, and the right to post your honest opinion is critical. "I paid for a service and I am not happy because..." is not only fine but necessary! If you prefer a dictatorship, there are a few countries around you might like visiting?

@Bekindnotabully

This thread isn't about Susie. It's about the harassment of women that use social media for their work. Did you read the title??

You mentioned Susie a lot.

@Bekindnotabully

This thread isn't about Susie. It's about the harassment of women that use social media for their work. Did you read the title??

pretty sure the (genuine) harassment of MEN would be just as bad?

Who the fuck is susie?
Your talking like it's someone really well known that doesn't need a surname like Beyoncé or Sting...

so what do you think about susie verill ? still trying to flog us stuff when she has the racist tweets and the hate speech about disabled children?

thank god for tattle life on that one as someone posted here to alert susie followers.....she has never once apologised. not once!

all the brands she worked with were contacted, they dropped her.......same with meldrum

It's about the harassment of women that use social media for their work

What counts as harassment though? I agree that personal attacks aren't nice but if they are said non directly is it that bad? I love Kate Moss & think she has great style, others would call her a cokehead with no style.

If someone is selling a service people will be critical, it's life & sometimes it will be justified. Don't you think chefs get upset when they have negative reviews or actors who have a badly received film. Why is it different?

I don't use instagram any more because it's ad overload but I will criticise the likes of Kim Kardashian selling weight loss products or medication whilst pregnant. I think that's wrong, is that harassment?

without people exposing them then they would be free to drive racism and their own unpopular opinions unchecked

as for the mummy bloggers filming their families and homes......not too worried about their security then are they?

@Sennetti makes a good point there seem to be a lot of very hypocritical influencers. Racism is not ok.

@Bekindnotabully
I would never troll her or write something nasty on her feed but had quick look at her instagram and so a very plain looking woman in some unflattering clothes surely if you're going to set yourself up as a stylist you should look aspirational.

The screen shot from below on invasion of privacy. This should be applied to the dc first.

surely if you're going to set yourself up as a stylist you should look aspirational.

see I disagree, some of the great Hollywood stylists look very basic however you are completely entitled to that opinion.

look at brummymummy.......her kids images have been used by paedophiles. she doesn't seem to care, still posts multiple pics and videos of them which can be used by these sickos. she is fully aware

rebecca lamb who posts pics of herself in underwear/swimwear/shite from in the style (whom she then promotes).......she ended up on a well known porn site

i have no idea who this susie is but i bet i could look at her posts and tell you where she lives and other revealing info within the hour, if i was so inclined

some show every bit of their hot (charlotte louise taylor for example) .....i could very easily break in if i were a nutter......so easy to find her home.....her kids every minute is posted, her other half movements, when she's alone etc etc.....can see every door lock, window,access route.

and here you are op.....just worried about a few harsh words about susies makeup and clothes being crititiscised!!