To think hate speach against mums on Instagram / YouTube should be make a crime

[Bekindnotabully]

With social media it's allowed amazing ways to communicate with people. But it's also allowed trolling and harrasment to happen at unprecedented scale.

Sites like tattle life and increasing Mumsnet allow people to troll women that make their living out of social media and the current rules in place don't allow the police to identify and bring to justice the trolls. You can pretty much say what you like including bullying someone over their appearance and their parenting with zero repreciousons. It's not on and needs to change.

I could go on but aibu to think these rules need to change? People are taking their own lives and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection.

Misogyny should be a hate crime.

Exactly this.

What? Hate speech against mums specifically??? Because they somehow have more value than everyone else for what reason exactly?

On the styled by Susie threads here and tattle people are being nasty about her appearance and calling her a terrible parent. This is really affecting her mental health.

So don't read it. Apply a bit of common sense.

At this rate, no-one will be allowed to express disagreement with anyone without to being deemed a hate crime.

Re examples, there was a thread here so bad earlier in the week Mumsnet deleted it. But Susie had already read all the poison pen messages about her and they cut deep. Deleting the hate crime doesn't mean it doesn't exist and she can't take action against the trolls especially now all the evidence has been zapped

You think mum influencers on Instagram and YouTube should be made a protected category?

No sorry against everyone not just mums, but mums now are getting the brunt of it because of their careers.

Personally I hate the whole "Karen" thing that's everywhere right now. I hate the "snowflake" thing too but Karen really gets my goat because its specifically directed towards women and is another way of subtly telling women to shut up, sit down, and don't draw attention to themselves otherwise everyone will think they're a Karen.

Re examples, there was a thread here so bad earlier in the week Mumsnet deleted it. But Susie had already read all the poison pen messages about her and they cut deep.

Are you Susie, OP? Or her mum?

I've never heard of her , BTW. Does that count as hate speech?

In the nicest possible way, if you were to try and ban gossip sites you would also need to ban all comments sections and message boards. People talk about each other, thats life. A lot of it is horrible, yes. The name calling and attacking of the way people look is disgusting and dont get me started on the disgusting messages people send direct to people wishing harm on them or their families. That stuff needs to be dealt with and taken more seriously by authorities. But i've also seen influencers refer to genuine constructive criticism as 'hate' - comments like 'Bit disappointed to see you advertise Laura Mercier as your favourite brand when 2 weeks ago it was Charlotte Tilbury' will be deleted and referred to as 'hate'. People calling out animal abuse and child exploitation is seen as 'hate', comments calling out undisclosed ads are deleted. The industry is still dangerously underregulated. Id rather people have a place to discuss these legitimate issues seperate to an individuals platforms than be silenced because 'we shouldnt bring each other down'

I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school.

Even if it were deemed a hate crime, it wouldn't stop mothers from receiving abuse online. Every protected category has slurs and hatred thrown at them as it is. Anonymity will always find a way.

Their "career" isn't being a mum
I've been a mum for 24 years
No one has trolled me for that
If you choose to style your self as an instagrammer and influencer that is what opens you up to trolling

Sorry, pressed send too soon.

So yes, I hate the Karen thing but it's not breaking any laws so I have to right to say that people shouldn't be allowed to post it online.

You want the right to be able to troll mums??!!

That’s clearly not what I said. If you can’t debate effectively, don’t default to being disingenuous as it just makes you look silly and incapable.

Being a parent should offer you no more of less protection from harassment. Relevant laws should be enforced but having an entirely new tier of tolerance because somebody happens to be a parent is ridiculous.

@Bekindnotabully

Re examples, there was a thread here so bad earlier in the week Mumsnet deleted it. But Susie had already read all the poison pen messages about her and they cut deep. Deleting the hate crime doesn't mean it doesn't exist and she can't take action against the trolls especially now all the evidence has been zapped

She doesn't know how to screen shot?

I think all trolling is despicable but don't see why women or men on SM are a special case. I personally have no time at all for SM 'jobs' but it doesn't harm anyone so they should have equal protection as anyone using SM

Plus I wouldn't see the point in deeming motherhood itself a protected category. Surely a lot of the abuse they face is based on them being women more than mothers? Would that mean that fatherhood is protected if they face accusations and slander as well?

@WorraLiberty

I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school.

Me too

If you are putting yourself on Instagram and accepting paid work, you are a business. Consumers will criticise businesses. If your business is your family/your home etc, consumers will criticise that. That is why most people would not dream of breaching their family's privacy to do that kind of work as it opens them up to those kinds of comments - particularly when young children cannot consent to having their privacy breached and there are all sorts of safeguarding issues around that. You cannot monitise yourself and/or your family/home etc and expect consumers not to criticise or comment on the product. The two are not mutually exclusive so it is a decision that nerds to be made. Any job that is affecting a workers' mental health substantively is not a suitable job for them. I very briefly had a job where I defended those accused of commiting sexual offences. I had to move into another area of law as I couldn't cope with the work - even with support from colleagues etc. I had to look for another job. The solution was not to expect the firm to completely stop doing that kind of work

If you choose a trashy career you have to expect to deal with trash a fair amount of the time.
All forms of selling yourself for a living come with a price tag and that's why they aren't 'careers' for the majority.

I have no sympathy for the professional influencer parents who document their children's entire lives on social media. Potty training... Tantrums. It's awful.

I'll reserve my sympathy for when little Junior is 14 and his classmates, if they are so inclined, have hours of material to bully him over.

If these parents don't want to be criticised then they can pack it in and get a proper job.

If the source if your income is promoting your dc for advertising then it is you who has opened them up to online scrutiny.

Better to consider whether they should have privacy over the need for £.

I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school.

This ^^^

@FlySheMust

If you set yourself up as some kind of expert in an utterly trivial and pointless field you can expect to be criticised.

^This. Also social media is still optional for now.

@Bekindnotabully

Re examples, there was a thread here so bad earlier in the week Mumsnet deleted it. But Susie had already read all the poison pen messages about her and they cut deep. Deleting the hate crime doesn't mean it doesn't exist and she can't take action against the trolls especially now all the evidence has been zapped

I'm fairly sure MN can retrieve it and send it to her solicitor if she is truly convinced it contains hate speech as defined in law. Perhaps she should do that?