Jesica Krug - white Jewish Woman pretended to be black.

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Ms Krug, a Jewish woman form Kansa purported to be a Black woman and was a Professor of AfricanAmerica Hostory at George Washington University . Teaching classes and supervision grad and undergrad students in African American History

She was also an activist who posted and participated in rallies and events as Jessica La Bombalera. Demonstrating against the gentrification of East Harlem, proclaiming it to be her neighbourhood

Essentially she has gaslight,lied and assumed an identity that is not hers. In doing so,other candidates were denied opportunities,remuneration. She has assumed an identity and heritage that was not hers to assume

Exposed by a student who had the courage to confide in other teaching staff

What is transphobia, @Grannyspecsandslippers?

I watched an interview with Gloria Steinam yesterday in which she was asked about trans issues, and she mentioned Rachel Dolezal in her answer, sort of saying that people should be able to pick their own identity and that is okay.

For all those who will say ‘let’s not turn this into a thread about trans,’ can you not see the wopping great double standard and hypocrisy here?

No

rainwaterflow that is really helpful thank you and makes loads of sense. What is CI?

Aridane so in what way is it different?

I pretend (or ‘pass’) to be a race I’m not

I don't understand. Do you support that or think it's shocking?

Drag acts are offensive to women because they are based on exaggerated stereotypes of women from a male perspective.

Blackface is wrong. Womanface is also wrong,

@StealthPolarBear - I suspect posters may think it shocking. I do it- normally by omission or elision- for an easier life

So is whiteface also wrong?

OK. And how do you feel about the parallels with self id for trans?
I can't see how anything but self id for ethnicity could work. There are so many combinations that presumably it's up to the individual to say which they associate with. Clearly that wouldn't prevent me with pale skin and ginger hair self iding as black African but I don't really know what the solution is. Unless we just all tick 'mixed' - I suspect it's probably the case!

rainwaterflow that is really helpful thank you and makes loads of sense. What is CI?

Sorry, CI is chronic illness. And thank you.

Actually there are two issues aren't there. One is about how you identify and one is about how others perceive you. I can identify as black African all I like, I'd still be called ginge on the school bus. If you 'pass' for black but identify as white you may still experience racism in the UK. If you identify as black but 'pass' for white you're less likely to.

Thanks.
Back to the rant I don't care if the woman in the loos with me is white but looks black or is black but looks white.i don't care if she's a lesbian, asexual, non binary or whatever. If she has a penis, I care slightly more.

Blackface is wrong
but Womanface gets given TV shows (RuPaul)

Don't we all (humans) come from Africa? I mean - originally, going back thousands of years.

@SheepandCow

Don't we all (humans) come from Africa? I mean - originally, going back thousands of years.

Yes 'Out of Africa' is established theory supported by evidence. There's still debate about whether there was an OoA 1 and an OoA 2, about 250,000 years ago. Actually, possibly much more recently than that.

It's fascinating how quickly (relatively, in terms of evolution) pale skin and blue eyes etc evolved.

I think that’s correct although I’m no expert. I remember watching I think a watchdog programme about the DNA analysing companies for Ancestry. The blond female presenter was delighted to have some Africa DNA inside her but was told that was unlikely to have come from a recent relative and that everyone will have some DNA from Africa.

Sheepandcow
Humans are a chimeric mix of Homo Sapiens, Neanderthals, Densiovans and possibly other species as yet unidentified.
Race is an entirely confected construct.
You cannot tell what race somebody is from a sample of their cells
but you CAN tell whether they are male or female

It's so interesting. This whole thing has inspired me to learn more about our human history. I assume the others (neanderthal, etc) died out? Are other species also descended from any of them?

Yes I think race is definitely much more blurred than something binary like sex.

It really exposes just how ridiculous racism is (of any form). In the end, we're all the same, us humans. All come from the same place. I'm far too idealistic, I know, but I wish we could all see each other as the individuals we are (whilst obviously being aware of, respecting and celebrating everyone's different unique heritage).

Is drag really "womanface"? I thought the whole point of the joke is that women don't act like that so the idea is that they're as far from being women as possible, despite ostensibly trying to pass as them. The dame is always my favourite character in panto and the whole point of the joke is that the only one who's actually going around claiming to be the most beautiful and desirable woman there, and the most exaggerated character, isn't a woman and would never pass for one despite the heavy makeup and mad clothes. Never seen a dame who wasnt middle aged and pretty masculine looking.

SheepandCow
Wikipedia is actually really good on these topics ....
dive in
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_humans

I thought the pantomime dame came about because in the past women weren't allowed to act?

It is literally not a jot different from a man with a massive penis competing in women's sport and taking away opportunities that actual woman gave work for.