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Jesica Krug - white Jewish Woman pretended to be black.

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SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 08:30

Ms Krug, a Jewish woman form Kansa purported to be a Black woman and was a Professor of AfricanAmerica Hostory at George Washington University . Teaching classes and supervision grad and undergrad students in African American History

She was also an activist who posted and participated in rallies and events as Jessica La Bombalera. Demonstrating against the gentrification of East Harlem, proclaiming it to be her neighbourhood

Essentially she has gaslight,lied and assumed an identity that is not hers. In doing so,other candidates were denied opportunities,remuneration. She has assumed an identity and heritage that was not hers to assume

Exposed by a student who had the courage to confide in other teaching staff

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hibbledibble · 04/09/2020 09:26

Given the amount of anti-Semitism that has come from BLM and it's followers, I think it's very unhelpful to be making this woman's Jewish identity central to the story. 'White woman pretended to be black' is sufficient. As others have posted, many Jews are not white.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 09:29

This is about an invented persona,she for reasons known to herself misrepresented herself

The Truth, and the Anti-Black Violence of My Lies by Jessica A. Krug link.medium.com/NVOmO15Yt9

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cologne4711 · 04/09/2020 09:29

If we were more tolerant, didn't gender stereotype and whinge about so-called cultural appropriation, people wouldn't need ot change "gender" or say they identify with a different skin colour. If a man wants to wear a dress and make-up, let him. He doesn't have to identify as a woman to do that. It's fine for white people to listen to reggae and jazz just as it's fine for black people to listen to opera.

If we don't put people in unnecessary boxes we won't have all this rubbish.

picklemewalnuts · 04/09/2020 09:30

I find this really weird, for the opposite reasons from everyone else.
The sex situation is really clear to me. On the autopsy table there will be no doubt as to a person's sex.

Regarding blackness, it's a different situation. From apartheid tests to see whether you were black or white separating full siblings, to the Irish (?) actor who appears black, whose mother was assumed to have had an affair, but did not, 'black' seems to require some interpretation.

it's simply not as clear as it's made out. Isn't there research about race being a social construct?

All that aside, people with privilege shouldn't be applying for jobs, taking up diversity posts etc intended to redress the balance. I'm ok with all anti racist steps, I'm onboard with diversity policies and the need to remove obstacles etc.

But it really isn't spectacularly clear.

theconstantinoplegardener · 04/09/2020 09:31

Minnieok yes, Rachel Dolezal. A very similar situation.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 09:31

Central is the invention of a backstory.
The gas lighting
Financial gain
Claiming a lived experience that was not hers

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AnotherEmma · 04/09/2020 09:32

@Whatisthisfuckery

If it’s fine for a man to say he’s a woman then it’s fine for a white woman to say she’s black. We can’t have it both ways. Either claiming to be a member of an oppressed group to which you do not belong is acceptable or it isn’t.
This.
SummerSummerSummertime · 04/09/2020 09:35

There is absolutely no difference in race and sex identification. Same bases, yet one is treated with rightful contempt and the other applauded.*

This!

YourVagesty · 04/09/2020 09:36

@SentientAndCognisant

Sorry for the tone of my post. I mostly objected to the word 'courage'. I don't think it is courageous to bring situations like this to light. So that makes me roll my eyes.

And OBVIOUSLY I object to somebody taking a black person's opportunities. Bloody hell.

HooseDilemma · 04/09/2020 09:41

Pretending to be black is shit.

But I don't understand why a non-black person isn't allowed to have a job lecturing on black history? It hasn't "denied a black person a job" as it's not a black person's job. Surely that would be offensive.

HooseDilemma · 04/09/2020 09:44

And while this doesn't apply specifically to this woman's case, I find the idea of how being black is defined very interesting. These people in the article identify as black because if their history. Are they? Should they be allowed to "choose" which bits of their ancestry they identify with most? Is there a strict for identifying as black?

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/race-east-jackson-ohio-appalachia-white-blackwww.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/race-east-jackson-ohio-appalachia-white-black" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/race-east-jackson-ohio-appalachia-white-blackwww.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/race-east-jackson-ohio-appalachia-white-black

HooseDilemma · 04/09/2020 09:45

*strict criteria

justanotherneighinparadise · 04/09/2020 09:47

I find myself somewhat ‘meh’. She obviously had great respect and admiration for the culture she was trying to assimilate into. She was an activist for black rights. She didn’t cherry pick the more sparkly aspects and reject the problems.

I completely agree with the points that she may have taken a job from someone who deserved it more but I just pity her really.

Horizons83 · 04/09/2020 09:49

*If we were more tolerant, didn't gender stereotype and whinge about so-called cultural appropriation, people wouldn't need ot change "gender" or say they identify with a different skin colour. If a man wants to wear a dress and make-up, let him. He doesn't have to identify as a woman to do that. It's fine for white people to listen to reggae and jazz just as it's fine for black people to listen to opera.

If we don't put people in unnecessary boxes we won't have all this rubbish*

Totally agree.

WhoWants2Know · 04/09/2020 09:49

I think the student who "exposed" Jessica was referred to as courageous because other people had attempted to query her background previously and were met with anger and resistance.

WhoWants2Know · 04/09/2020 09:51

Also, she didn't just appropriate ONE culture because she admired it. She claimed several different backgrounds when it suited her purpose.

picklemewalnuts · 04/09/2020 09:54

She certainly lied, cheated etc. So disgraceful.
The question of identity and colour, less clear to me as Hoose's post shows.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/09/2020 09:56

You cannot logically differentiate transracialism from transgenderism.

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 09:57

Courage in the context it’s an unfair power dynamic at uni. Tutors have power over students, at its most basic they set marks that determine progression

It’s does take courage to challenge that level of status eg a professor

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Horizons83 · 04/09/2020 09:57

I agree that there is no massive difference between this and trans issues. I guess the difference is that with trans issues 'society' is aware that the person is not actually a natal female, and that (in some cases, not all) the individual sincerely believes they are. Everyone just plays along.

With this case, the person really did know all the time that they were not a member of the group they claimed to be, and also convinced society that they were - so when the truth is finally admitted society feels cheated/embarrassed at being hoodwinked.

I do find it interesting that both internationally known cases of this 'uncovering' are professional women. Why is that? Is it coincidence? Are only women acting this way?

Stripesgalore · 04/09/2020 10:05

It is interesting that both women held social justice positions while pretending to be black.

BigBadVoodooHat · 04/09/2020 10:06

I don't think it is courageous to bring situations like this to light.

Why not? If someone lied to claim a professional advantage, why should someone else be expected to collude in keeping that secret for them?

SentientAndCognisant · 04/09/2020 10:07

@HooseDilemma to best of my knowledge no one has said Ms Krug isn't allowed to have a job lecturing on black history.Issue is she appears to have based her curriculum on her apparent lived experience

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KayakingOnDown · 04/09/2020 10:10

This is where identity politics has got us.

Pertella · 04/09/2020 10:11

do find it interesting that both internationally known cases of this 'uncovering' are professional women. Why is that? Is it coincidence? Are only women acting this way?

There was a guy recently who acted similarly. He was "white" but looked mixed as he had a darker skin tone and black curly hair. He said that as he was assumed to be black and discriminated against he may as well take any "benefit" he could.

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