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To be upset Alcoholics Anonymous helpline just laughed at me

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bellini891 · 02/09/2020 18:05

Feeling pretty upset - called them to see if they could offer any advise I could pass on to my husband and if they think it would be useful for him to call them when he finishes work tonight - for what I would say is problematic drinking ie: bingeing / not drinking daily or having a dependency.
I gave a brief summary of what's been happening - The guy asked me is he dependant and drinking everyday - which I said no he isn't so he laughed and said what are you calling Alcoholics Anonymous for ?! Lol
I said I didn't think someone had to drink daily to have a problem - so feeling pretty stupid for even calling them now - as I'm writing this my husband has just called and said he rang the number I've sent him and they said they can't help him ☹️ he's not an alcoholic -just when I felt like husband was going to address his issues around alcohol - does anyone have any suggestions of who can offer some advise on this ?

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Piglet89 · 02/09/2020 20:39

@bellini891 another vote here for the Naked Mind podcast. Annie Grace has really done her homework and looked in-depth into the reasons people drink and it covers LOADS of different problems with alcohol.

I am a fully paid-up member of the sober sphere now and (well I have had maybe 4 alcoholic drinks in the last 3 months and those were on my wedding anniversary).

Annie Grace talks about something called “cognitive dissonance” which is now an accepted concept in sober literature and research. It’s when your conscious mind intends not to drink as much as you end up doing - because the subconscious takes over. The effect of alcohol on brain chemistry, as we know, is that it lowers inhibitions, so after the first drink, you worry less about drinking more and things can get really out of hand without that being your intention at all. This sounds like what’s happening to your other half.

AA is outdated. The idea of alcoholics “missing out” on or “being powerless before” something others can enjoy safely is really old fashioned I think. Sober literature today often takes a different angle: the alcohol industry has brainwashed us all into thinking it’s this fantastic product that will make us sexier, more amusing etc...but Annie Grace and others have rewritten the rules. They’re sober and don’t miss alcohol at all because they are not getting as much out of it as it’s taking away. Ultimately, it’s a toxin and if it were up for a license from the food authorities today, it’d never get it.

“Drink?” by Professor David Nutt is also worth a read. He also knows what he’s talking about she and paid a high price for speaking the truth about the damage alcohol does, both to the society and individuals. That tells you all you need to know.

Doggodogington · 02/09/2020 20:40

@DolphinsAndNemesis OP said herself he wasn’t an alcoholic Hmm why are you saying he is.

MistressMounthaven · 02/09/2020 20:41

If you can't only drink once in a while, possibly as you are at a wedding, or stopped off in a pub and having a half pint of beer, or ONE glass of wine with your weekend evening meal. If you cant happily do that, you can only finish off the bottle, or get blootered and are hung over all the next day - then you have a drink prob in my view.
It's not how often you do it, or how much you have but the fact that you can't take it or leave it.
The DH, after having a quiet drink with mates, or a few drinks on a night out CAN'T stop - he has to drink the rest of the night until he is dropped off at home, or staggers in at breakfast time - until there is no booze available and no one to hang out with.

Most people ime after ONE drink decide to have just one more, and one more - it's the booze which affects your normal decision making and you can't say no.
Teh answer for the DH is to stop drinking entirely as it's the first couple which leads to the binge. You can only avoid that by not having the first couple, that lower your resistance.
He needs to find a hobby which doesn't require booze. Or always be the driver and stick to soft drinks. It would take a while to get his head round this but he might decide that's the way to go.

ThirstyGhost · 02/09/2020 20:42

What’s the difference between a problem drinker and an alcoholic?

When I went from problem drinking to full blown alcoholism the difference was physical dependency. A problem drinker MAY have options (moderation, periods of abstinence, etc..). It's difficult to clearly define where one stops and the other begins though. An alcoholic can't ever drink again. I strongly believe that. That's just my personal view and those around me at AA though.

Piglet89 · 02/09/2020 20:42

It’s not about whether he’s an alcoholic or not. That isn’t the question to ask. There are many more problems with alcohol than the traditional idea of physical dependence = alcoholic = the only serious problem a person can have with alcohol.

Southwestten · 02/09/2020 20:45

ThirstyGhost thank you for answering my question.

Needallthesleep · 02/09/2020 20:45

Have you read Glorious Rock Bottom by Bryony Gordon? Her relationship with alcohol sounds similar to your husbands. And she says that you absolutely don’t need to drink every day to be an alcoholic.

theemmadilemma · 02/09/2020 20:52

@Piglet89

It’s not about whether he’s an alcoholic or not. That isn’t the question to ask. There are many more problems with alcohol than the traditional idea of physical dependence = alcoholic = the only serious problem a person can have with alcohol.
That's succinctly what I was getting at. Thank you.
DolphinsAndNemesis · 02/09/2020 20:54

@Bluntness100

I can't believe that some PPs are categorically declaring that the OP's husband is not an alcoholic. How completely absurd

And yet you aren’t commenting on those categorically declaring he is?

How completely absurd.

Um, I did comment on it. No one on this thread can make that determination one way or the other. From my previous post:

I can't believe that some PPs are categorically declaring that the OP's husband is not an alcoholic. How completely absurd. You can't make that determination long distance via internet. Is he an alcoholic? I don't know. No one on this thread knows that.

liveitwell · 02/09/2020 20:57

He should contact his local drug and alcohol services (commissioned by the local public health department). I used to commission ours and they will help anyone who seems themselves to need it. They can offer all types of interventions depending on the need.

Morgan12 · 02/09/2020 20:59

Definitely no cocaine involved?

Pumperthepumper · 02/09/2020 21:00

Honestly, I wouldn’t bother with Bluntness - they have form for sticking up for shitty male behaviour.

Waveysnail · 02/09/2020 21:00

But by sounds of it he doesnt want to stop drinking. The only way to stop the binge is to not drink in the first place as it's a slippery slope. He obviously cant go out an have a couple so he needs to stop drinking.

DolphinsAndNemesis · 02/09/2020 21:00

[quote Doggodogington]@DolphinsAndNemesis OP said herself he wasn’t an alcoholic Hmm why are you saying he is.[/quote]
Good Lord. I said that I can't possibly say one way or the other. It's right there in my post. Hmm

No one on this thread can diagnose the OP's husband. He may be an alcoholic. He may not be. It does sound to me that he has at the very least a problematic relationship with alcohol. But I can't really say because I don't know the man. And once again, absolutely no Mumsnetter can diagnose him over the internet.

bibbitybobbitycats · 02/09/2020 21:00

Why, did you want people to agree he was an alkie? Anything more than a sniff of sherry at Xmas and some folks on here scream alkie. Aa was right, he’s not an alcoholic. He doesn’t have a problem

I don't think AA would be able to say one way or another whether a person was an alcoholic after one conversation over the phone (or from a few posts on a forum for that matter).

Piglet89 · 02/09/2020 21:05

@bibbitybobbitycats : he categorically does have a problem. He’s going AWOL once a month overnight until the next morning when he has a wife and kid at home, both of whom depend on him to be a functioning adult. He can no longer act according to his intentions in respect of his drinking (if it’s true he never actually intends to drink that much when he goes out).

If that’s not some kind of problem, I don’t know what is.

AnyOldPrion · 02/09/2020 21:13

But by sounds of it he doesnt want to stop drinking. The only way to stop the binge is to not drink in the first place as it's a slippery slope. He obviously cant go out an have a couple so he needs to stop drinking.

My ex seemed like this for a lot of years, but eventually, when he knew I’d leave if he did it again, he finally managed to drink in moderation for several years, including listening to me if we were out together and I told him to stop.

He broke our marriage because he chose to do it again, in the worst possible circumstances. Looking back, the signs were there that he was going to. Just as abusive men give themselves excuses to abuse, drinkers give themselves permission to get drunk. He was both.

Perhaps some people really can’t stop, but I suspect there are many more who pretend they’d like to, but just don’t really mean it.

Piglet89 · 02/09/2020 21:15

@theemmadilemma you’re welcome!

The whole area of alcohol’s actual effects on body and mind is completely fascinating. I was never a massive drinker, but was drinking a couple of small glasses of wine a night, say. But I had some blood tests about 6 months post birth to try to get to the bottom of my bone-weary tiredness (more than just sleep deprivation). Liver function came back not normal...and then I was starting to crave a drink at about 1700 after long days on mat leave when my son was getting super grumpy before his dinner, just to take the edge off.

I decided to knock it on the head because I could see a slippery slope ahead. It was hard for the first month but I don’t regret it. I sleep better, wake up more refreshed, just am mentally more on an even keel. My skin’s better and I am happier.

Best decision I ever made.

bibbitybobbitycats · 02/09/2020 21:16

[quote Piglet89]**@bibbitybobbitycats* : he categorically does* have a problem. He’s going AWOL once a month overnight until the next morning when he has a wife and kid at home, both of whom depend on him to be a functioning adult. He can no longer act according to his intentions in respect of his drinking (if it’s true he never actually intends to drink that much when he goes out).

If that’s not some kind of problem, I don’t know what is.[/quote]
Piglet, I didn't say anywhere in my post that he might not have a problem! I was disagreeing with Bluntness100 who seems to be concluding that he isn't an alcoholic. None of us here can say whether that is the case or not.

Piglet89 · 02/09/2020 21:20

Sorry @bibbitybobbitycats you were quoting someone else in your post who was saying he doesn’t have a problem. Apologies.

supersonicginandtonic · 02/09/2020 21:23

His drinking is problematic. He is definitely not alcohol dependent or a functioning alcoholic.

Where abouts are you OP? Some local services offer support to anybody who's drinking is problematic even if it's only once a month. They also may offer an affected others service who will give emotional support and advice to you if you felt you needed it.

Inkpaperstars · 02/09/2020 21:24

I don't blame you for being upset OP.

It isn't normal to drink to the point that your wife is contemplating leaving. Most people do not put drinking above their family.

What would your DH say if you suggested that, if he can't control himself on these nights out, he no longer goes on them? He could avoid the trigger of the situation by staying at home. What if you suggest that maybe he will end up having to be teetotal? If his friends are worth keeping, they would be prepared to find another way to spend time with him.

Have you asked him what would happen if you or DC were ill and needed him to be home promptly and in a state able to help?

bibbitybobbitycats · 02/09/2020 21:26

No worries Piglet89

OP, I hope you work something out. It is not a good situation to be in and must make you so anxious every time he goes out.

Rustytiles · 02/09/2020 21:48

OP’s last post suggests she suspects cocaine is also involved so more than just the alcohol issue here

bellini891 · 02/09/2020 21:49

Hi again -I have the details for local drink and drug services . To be honest having just spoken to him about it again -he doesn't think he has a problem and unless it's him wanting to change then my efforts are pretty pointless . He's a liability when he's been drinking - leaving doors open , disappearing , generally making bad choices. And then the next day good for nothing , I don't want to feel like I did the other night ever again so if he won't make changes I'll have to

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