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DD17 wants to go on holiday alone (not with friends). AIBU to be worried sick?

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ohiseutv · 01/09/2020 01:32

She has had depression for months, very bad. She was hospitalised for it in June but has been thankfully improving. She still has downs though. It was Covid and a break-up that sent her on this spiral. She has no friends anymore, she cut them all off. She doesn’t go out. She’s so depressed and it kills me to see her like this. I couldn’t wait for her to start college so that she has a purpose again but college are saying that classes will be online for a while. So she won’t be socialising with anybody.

She’s told me today that she thinks she needs a few days away, and has said she plans to fly somewhere and stay in a hotel. Only 3 or 4 nights she says. She has £800 which was saved up over the years. She wants a city break and is thinking between Dublin, Berlin and Paris. She says she knows it very unusual to be going on her own and not with any mates but she tells me she feels she needs to do this and she thinks it will benefit her. She is mature and can look after herself but her depression is very much still present and the thought of her completely alone in an unfamiliar city in a foreign country worries me. I’d take her going on a wild week to Ibiza with other people over this. I said perhaps I could come and have a girly weekend but she says she needs to time alone to think. I asked her what she planned to do, and she said she’ll probably just do some shopping, see some sights and stay safe in the hotel at night. She promised she has no intentions of going out clubbing alone, and I trust her. I think she is doing it as a way to ‘find herself’. She’s insistent that she isn’t planning to do anything to herself, and I believe her, but what if she ends up feeling lonely and depressed while out there? She plans to go soon, and wants to book it last minute.

I can’t find a clear answer as to whether she needs my permission or not. But I really do worry about it. It’s one thing when they are going with friends, but completely alone?

OP posts:
Nosebogey · 01/09/2020 01:36

If this was my daughter, I would be very concerned that she isn’t going to find herself and is instead going on a last splurge with her only money before she hurts herself :(

I hope someone can give you advice :(

Ingles2 · 01/09/2020 01:38

No I don’t think this is a good idea at the moment.. it can be very lonely away in a city, I have travelled a lot for work in the past and it is never that much fun when you don’t have anyone to share it with.. coupled with quarantine issues/ Covid restrictions I think it will be miserable for her.. as she is still actually a child you are quite within your rights to say no..how about a compromise of a uk city break? Or a spa?

Anordinarymum · 01/09/2020 01:39

@Nosebogey

If this was my daughter, I would be very concerned that she isn’t going to find herself and is instead going on a last splurge with her only money before she hurts herself :(

I hope someone can give you advice :(

Me too OP
Ingles2 · 01/09/2020 01:40

Actually if it was me, I’d be too worried about suicide.. so it would be no, unless I go as well

Ribrabrob · 01/09/2020 01:43

In normal circumstances I’d say yes, great - good for independence, learning skills etc but due to her situation I too would be worry she is planning to hurt herself or do something. I’m sorry to say that as it sounds horrible but I think you know it’s a possibility.

Could you suggest that perhaps you go too, however you keep your distance - different hotel rooms, she goes off in the day on her own and you perhaps just meet her in the evening for a catch up?

Sorry op. It’s a really difficult situation for you.

ohiseutv · 01/09/2020 01:44

@Nosebogey That’s my exact worry. She says she has no intention of hurting herself, and I believe her that she has no intention of it right now. But she goes through ups and downs and it’s the thought of her being in a state alone in a foreign country makes me feel sick. But she insists it will help her, a change of scenery, some time to think and reflect. I fear all that time on her own to think will make it all worse. She does have plans for the future, she’s getting a £1500 trust fund in November for her birthday and wants to buy a car, and she says she’s looking forward to that which is at least something.

She’s had a horrendous few months. Abusive boyfriend treating her in a very cruel manner before dumping her, and a miscarriage in March when she didn’t know she was pregnant which was incredibly traumatic for her. She completely cut contact with all of her friends and doesn’t go out or do anything.

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seayork2020 · 01/09/2020 01:47

I did this when I was her age but I did not have her issues it is just something I wanted to do so I went on a city break by air (internal flight) to a posh hotel, had room service, when book shopping and to cafes and sat in the hotel bar.

But you know your child whether she can cope with this or not

Muggly · 01/09/2020 01:48

Could you go with her and stay at a different near by hotel maybe?

I actually did this quite a bit as a late teen early twenties, I was suffering from severe depression and just being alone with my books, far away from anyone that knew me so I didn't feel judged (even though I wasn't being judged) really helped. however as pp have pointed out she may want to be alone for other reasons, but then if she's feeling like that not going abroad won't stop her doing that, if that's what she's planned.

It's a really difficult one

ohiseutv · 01/09/2020 01:53

I’d happily go with her but she said no. I’ve also suggested she asks her cousin of a similar age whether she wants to go but DD says she just wants the time to herself. She just says she plans to treat herself and go shopping.

It’s just the vision of her alone in a hotel room in an unfamiliar city feeling lonely and depressed with nobody around her that absolutely terrifies me. I think I would panic every time she takes more than a minute to respond to a text, or if she didn’t answer the phone.

She does struggle with loneliness and I think being in a city centre will emphasise that. Just all of the hustle and bustle around her. I don’t think she has thought about that.

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HistoriaTrixie · 01/09/2020 02:04

Oh nooooo. I wouldn't like that one bit. If she insisted on going I'd be half tempted to follow her. She'd be so vulnerable in a strange city.

Yeahnahmum · 01/09/2020 02:22

Look to be honest, she can self harm at home as well, so that is no reason to say no. And sometimes the best for mh issues is to remove yourself from your environment and go elsewhere. I did it at that age. And it did me wonders.
You say she is mature then why not? This might be the thing that helps her see the light. Keeping her confined at home could possibly make things worse even.

mrbob · 01/09/2020 02:25

I think (having been in EXACTLY her position) that what she wants is to escape the feelings and thinks that escaping a place (I.e. home) will do that. I am not sure it will work but I think it might give her clarity. I would have a frank conversation about whether she feels she will be safe and if she does then let her go. Maybe suggest something cheaper so that if it doesn’t work she doesn’t feel she has wasted money? And somewhere that there is plenty to do but not totally full on so if she just wants to sit in her hotel room or a cafe then she can

Howallergic · 01/09/2020 02:32

As she mentioned Dublin, would she consider something like this instead? www.paddywagontours.com/3-Day-Tour-Of-Southern-Ireland-Galway-and-Kerry My Kiwi friend did these tours alone and loved it - you get to know the other people on the bus and they sound like fun. She'd be on the move (you book your own accommodation separately I think), seeing sights and with people all the time.

INeedNewShoes · 01/09/2020 02:47

I think I’d let her go but tell her that if she isn’t happy to call you and that you’ll go and join her or get her home early.

I’d avoid Paris. Her budget wouldn’t cover flight/Eurostar, spending money (for shopping, clothes and books are quite a bit more expensive on the whole in France) and a decent hotel. The £100 a night hotels are really depressing and won’t feel like a nice peaceful place to spend time and will most likely be in a grotty location. Also, I found that it wasn’t a great place to walk around as a lone young woman if you might be bothered by being stared at.

Crystal87 · 01/09/2020 03:21

Absolutely no way.

Doryhunky · 01/09/2020 03:48

No.
I have travelled a lot alone and at that age was travelling abroad but I was not severely depressed and it was not in the middle of a pandemic. I also recently tried to go on a city break (which I normally love) and it was no fun at all as a lot of things were shut.
If she really needs to get away a group retreat might be an option. Yoga or walking or meditation.

user127819 · 01/09/2020 03:58

I wouldn't allow that at 17 even without the depression and other issues.

Linning · 01/09/2020 04:10

I have been your daughter OP, was severely depressed and suicidal, at 16 I went, not only on holidays abroad but literally moved abroad and it SAVED me. I never really moved back actually and have been living and traveling abroad ever since. There is no doubt in my mind that if I didn’t go abroad when I did, I would have thrown myself off a building or jumped in front of a train, I was so depressed and when I moved I gained clarity, identified what made me depress and what toxic things/people and habits I needed to get rid off and it was life-changing for me.

Yes, it’s true that some people travel abroad to die BUT most people who are suicidal kill themselves at home. If your daughter is suicidal you saying no might also be the thing that throws her over the edge (it doesn’t mean you need to say yes to everything she wants, much more saying that saying no because you fear she will kill herself wont mean she won’t do it at home) It’s much better to say yes and provide her with resources she can reach once there if she is feeling low and finding local folks her age she can get in touch with so she has things to look forward to there and people to connect with rather than tell her no and take away the one thing she might be looking for.

I would suggest Berlin personally, it’s a great city for young people who want to find themselves (I used to live there 2 years ago) and very easy to make friends there and feel like you belong, which seems like what your daughter needs.

I am more than happy to help provide you and her with suggestions and cool itinerary of stuff she could do, and resources there she could reach if need be.

I would look into hostels personally, though since she is 17, there is a possibility booking hotels/hostels might be complex? I would look into that.

YANBU to be nervous and worried OP, I would be too but YWBU to restrict her freedom and take away the one thing she looks forward to because she is depressed. Depress people need stuff to look forward to, they need new horizons and sometimes stepping away from your routine and environment is what one needs to gain some much needed perspective and insight.

I could never be grateful enough for moving abroad at age 16 and the life changing perspective I gained from it and I hope her trip has similar effects!

mrbob · 01/09/2020 04:40

@Howallergic

As she mentioned Dublin, would she consider something like this instead? www.paddywagontours.com/3-Day-Tour-Of-Southern-Ireland-Galway-and-Kerry My Kiwi friend did these tours alone and loved it - you get to know the other people on the bus and they sound like fun. She'd be on the move (you book your own accommodation separately I think), seeing sights and with people all the time.
I am not sure a group tour is what someone needs when they are super depressed. The pressure to talk to people is awful and no freedom to just go and lie in your room and cry! That’s why she doesn’t want people bothering her (like you OP or her friends) even when they have the best of intentions
Durgasarrow · 01/09/2020 04:44

I would be concerned that she has met up with some man online who is grooming her and trying to get her to fly somewhere where she will be vulnerable. What she is proposing is strange.

bevelino · 01/09/2020 04:51

OP, traveling alone is not that great and it can be very lonely. When your dd is feeling better there are organised tours that are designed for young travellers that she can take. My dd went on one during her gap year and made lots of friends as was not alone at all.

Boomerwang · 01/09/2020 04:57

No. I really have no reason other than one of my own fantasies as a depressed teenager was to book into a hotel far away and kill myself there so that my family didn't have to be the ones to find me and deal with the services.

She needs a group therapy session somewhere to realise she's not alone. It's hard to share with family members, especially if they don't really understand.

This suggestion will not go down well with MN, but can you access any of her internet history? Might shed light on her plans abroad.

Iflyaway · 01/09/2020 05:50

I can understand her wish to be able to stand back as it were and let a new place give new insight and perspective, but really, this is not the time to be travelling abroad. I was reading about an upsurge in Paris just last week. I would chose a place in England. Enough beautiful cities to chose from.

I really enjoyed reading Linning's post.

I grew up in 3 countries and have travelled alone for many years (first time 1980) all over the world. I was hitchhiking in England too before that, which was common in those days.
Solo travel makes you extremely resilient and gives such a much broader outlook on life. My first travel alone made me realise I am so much stronger than I thought. I've met so many wonderful people on my travels. Love it.

Lots of great solo women travel pages on FB. Great adventures, great photos. I really recommend this one for your daughter. The host is a life coach and it's a great uplifting positive page.

www.facebook.com/groups/solowomentraveltribe/

Wishing you all the best with your daughter. Bringing up teens is tough. (Mine's 29 now).

FippertyGibbett · 01/09/2020 06:01

Can you actually stop her ?
If you push against it and try to stop her she may retreat inwards and not tell you anything. If you say that you don’t agree but will support her she might open up and agree to text you at set times and tell you her itinerary.
Dublin is closer so maybe encourage that one.

CatteStreet · 01/09/2020 06:01

IIWY I would tell her that me going with her is non-negotiable, but she could have all the time alone she wanted during the days, with a couple of planned-in meeting points during the day. I'd choose a place you've been to before, if possible. Or if that can't happen, I second the suggestion of Berlin. It's a lovely non-intimidating place and not overcrowded, and with a huge diversity of things to do. If you get nice weather there's urban lake swimming, or history and museums (most need booking in advanve atm) or you just walk through the city.

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