AIBU to think teachers should not be teaching sex games to children?

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Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

Yes for me there is a clear difference between learning about trust, respect, boundaries, coercion, consent, grooming, body safety, healthy vs unhealthy relationships, red flags, what abuse is - emotional, sexual, financial etc, along with self esteem, confidence building...
And also biology, facts about sex, stds, birth control, puberty, hormones.

Also using the internet and social media - how to navigate these safely, what to do if you receive an explicit photo etc, why porn can become an addiction, how people can be exploited - how healthy relationships are in relation to the media and porn. Cultural differences, society expectations, men / women issues in terms of vulnerability or expectations, diversity awareness.

With easy signposting to good information sites if people want to look up curious or embarrassing questions such as ‘I am a girl and my BF wants to have anal sex but I am not sure’ - scenarios where they can see that it is okay to say no, etc.

All the above are included
All the above.

Games or materials forcing kids to talk about and normalise sexual positions and different genitalia because of adult decisions do not fit any of the above! They are a safeguarding issue.

@SurroundedByIdiotsEverywhere

YANBU It is the liberal/left/MSM woke bs push... Teaching in state schools is becoming even more liberal & political than it ever was, then go onto uni etc and you understand the mindset of the youth! Once one matures in age you begin to understand the BS that you've been brainwashed with and adjust accordingly. Thankfully the country has resisted this in the elections so far but look at inner-city primary schools and it won't be long before we are back in the dark ages and a scary Socialist free for all, without hard work but just pure envy/evil and chaos on the streets! 10 x what the things are doing today!

This is never going to happen. Brits are conservative at heart. We’re not going to get a socialist country. The majority of Brits think like you.

I went to school in the ‘90s and don’t remember being brainwashed.

@borntobequiet

It’s not a left wing thing. This isn’t the old politics. Characterising it like this stops people thinking about it properly. If anything, it’s libertarian. Identity politics is a new phenomenon, and this is one aspect of it. Old style socialists - and old style conservatives - are equally appalled by this dereliction of decent behaviour.

Agreed, I’m a leftie and I’m not comfortable with this game either. It’s not about politics. And as a bisexual woman I’m not happy that lesbian sex is being ignored.

Agree it's not about right/ left.

Or as we see often on threads about conservative Christianity (mainly form USA posters).

This is about women, irrespective of politics, saying, this is shit.

Because it is shit.

Of course women can't have their own opinions and must be prudes/ blindly following a religious or political agenda etc.

Our opinions are assumed to be learnt/ lacking in value. Parroting a line. Or my god! Prudish.

Women have been girls, have grown up, had partners, sex etc. The idea we don't know what we're talking about is insulting but standard.

Stripes I don't understand.

If you Google anal sex, and your parents haven't put child protection on, you will get pages and pages of porn.

Yes of course teaching children about checking different sources etc is great for other subjects.

'The idea that children should learn everything about sex from parents, teachers and youth workers is very disturbing. '

Where is your personal cut off then. What do you think children should learn in sex education.

And. Youth workers??? That reminds me of Adrian mole

I went to school in the ‘90s and don’t remember being brainwashed.

To be fair, that could mean they did a really good job

The “they’ve going to find it on the internet anyways” people have it backwards. The existence of the internet and internet porn means parents and teachers have to be tougher. They have to increase the restrictions on teenagers, be more wary of safeguarding issues, have even greater emphasis on consent than ever. When I was a teenager in the 90s parents and teachers didn’t need to worry I’d go off and google stuff, see choking and strangulation normalised, be exposed to niche sex acts before puberty and think them normal, because there was no way of finding out. They could have been forgiven for not being so strict because there weren’t the same consequences. Now, there is.

I am no prude. I just think people have it arse backward. Sex should be pleasurable for both people. And consent is important.

Sometimes I wonder if the current batch of teenagers will grow up to be super conservative, "prudish" adults who are horrified by what they were exposed to at such a young age. A generation of Mary Whitehouses who think their liberal, sex-posi parents are irresponsible idiots.

Given how many teens are coming out as asexual, and demisexuality is considered a legitimate sexual orientation, I do wonder.

Porn has completely normalised anal and taught a generation of young men that it’s something easy and fun that all girls should be totally up for. Wouldn’t you rather they learned what it’s actually like from a sex ed teacher?

This was along the lines of what I was thinking...

@PhilSwagielka

Given how many teens are coming out as asexual, and demisexuality is considered a legitimate sexual orientation, I do wonder.

Interesting thought

Where is your personal cut off then. What do you think children should learn in sex education

I think sex Ed should be taught separately as boys and girls will process the information differently.

I think I’d go in to the class room and say to the girls ‘Don’t have sex whilst you in school - you will get called slag/slut/easy and it’s likely to really mess you up and effect your studies - don’t fool yourself you will marry this lad, he will probably dump you for your best mate’

Then I’d go in to the boys and say ‘stay of porn, it’s not real, you will not look like a porn star. Your likely to have some dad banging on your door - just focus on sports and wanking’

• obviously in RL I wouldn’t but I’m fed up with kids having to be fully equipped to have a full and varied sex life at 13. Plus I’ve not had coffee yet!

I wonder how much knowledge about sex anyone on this thread would have to wanted to get from a teacher.

I was just thinking the same.

Why does sex education at school have to 'teach' pleasure? It should teach the biology, contraception, consequences, the importance of healthy relationships and boundaries. But not the technicalities of practices most of us haven't even heard of.

the paedophiles who wrote this garbage

Yes I'm afraid I do think the material is male centric and grooming. It's deeply shocking.

I think what's being missed by a lot here is the fact that this is a tool being given to a teacher - a professional- to use to spark discussion. They don't need to be told to include safety and consent in their discussions they are trained and automatically know to do this. It's being talked about like the teacher is just one of the kids engaging in the game. Do people give them so little credit?! The teacher will hear the DC's understanding and views and help them see the reality which will likely be very different. Have a bit more faith in the people you send your dc to be taught by!

Have a bit more faith in the people you send your dc to be taught by!

if the women teachers here cant see what this dice 'game' is indoctrinating young women with, then no, i wont have faith in teachers.

and i'll repeat this, theres been a 4000% rise in young girls not wanting to be women (inten years) perhaps society- and now schools - expecting them to be mere fuck-buckets has something to do with it.

@midnightstar66

I think what's being missed by a lot here is the fact that this is a tool being given to a teacher - a professional- to use to spark discussion. They don't need to be told to include safety and consent in their discussions they are trained and automatically know to do this. It's being talked about like the teacher is just one of the kids engaging in the game. Do people give them so little credit?! The teacher will hear the DC's understanding and views and help them see the reality which will likely be very different. Have a bit more faith in the people you send your dc to be taught by!

RSE is rarely taught by subject specialists. I'm trained in how to teach my subject. I can get away with a few other subjects based on my own interests, or sufficient prep time, but ask me to do Geography or Dance and I'm screwed. It wouldn't be unusual to have an email the morning of the lesson with "here's the materials for RSE today" and no time to evaluate them, because there usually isn't an RSE teacher, just someone with a million other things to do who has been asked to coordinate the lessons to be delivered by random teachers across the school.

Luckily I'm a woman and a feminist so I could do RSE regarding consent etc relatively well. But that's not the case for all staff, and plenty of staff would feel uncomfortable.

It's for secondary school pupils (over 13). I see no issue with it. To call it grooming is hysterical nonsense.

So you're fine with a version of sex education that involves no pleasure for women?

So you're fine with a version of sex education that involves no pleasure for women?

i think she does- i think a lot of women here are part of a generation of women who are that porn-adled they think that sex for women is offering up their orifices - they want young girls to learn to endure it like they had to.

why else would they think this dice was so good? because it was 'given' to schools it must be good? no one is that stupid.

I just hope they teach all the children, girls especially that sex isn’t something that is done to them, it’s something both parties take part in and should enjoy. Also that virginity is a social scam

It's for secondary school pupils (over 13). I see no issue with it. To call it grooming is hysterical nonsense.

No, it would include 12 and 13 year olds, in a class discussion where they’d have to throw dice and discuss what objects might be nice up their anus with their teacher. If you’ve read it properly and think it’s ok despite sex ed teachers on the thread actually saying it is a breakdown of child safeguarding... then there is something wrong,

I just hope they teach all the children, girls especially that sex isn’t something that is done to them, it’s something both parties take part in and should enjoy.

It’s so regressive, isn’t it? Once again we’re in an era where female sexuality is poorly understood and not considered important.

@mellowww

I wonder how much knowledge about sex anyone on this thread would have to wanted to get from a teacher.

I was just thinking the same.

Why does sex education at school have to 'teach' pleasure? It should teach the biology, contraception, consequences, the importance of healthy relationships and boundaries. But not the technicalities of practices most of us haven't even heard of.

See this is why I think it should be taught separately to when boys have theirs.

I think it absolutely should be biology centred but should also discuss that it’s completely normal and healthy to have sensitive and pleasurable feelings in and on our erogenous areas. This new wave of Sex Ed is so male centric it completely misses the fact out that females should be enjoying sex and if they are not then they need to stop. It’s just been boiled down to holes.