AIBU to think teachers should not be teaching sex games to children?

[2fallsagain]

Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

And if this is made so vanilla you can talk about it at 12/13 then wtf kind of sadistic sexual abuse will they be googling to get them off next?

This will rob children of any kind of normal.loving pleasurable future sex lives with their partners.

Oh yeah sorry. They have not renamed the prostate. Hard to read the text

What was written
The internal clitoris and/or the prostate can be stimulating in anal sex

@2fallsagain

Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

OP can't be bothered to read the thread but stopping by to say your attack on LGBT was noted. Such a thinly veiled attempt to get people to pearl clutch and get people to moan on about LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 Have a flag and a

"Clitoris is now called the external clitoris and prostate is now the internal clitoris. "
WTF! Normalising further the concept of male 'lesbians' maybe?

As @YouWereGr8InLittleMenstruators diagram shows, the actual clitoris is largely internal.

This whole thing makes me feel sick. Young teens don't need to be coerced to discuss sex acts with adults; sex Ed. should be about boundaries, consent and staying safe, and it's ok to be straight, gay or lesbian.

Btw I came of age before internet porn; choking, slapping and anal sex was never pushed on me. I feel so sad for younger women that this is the norm now.

Sex education should be about countering the damaging effects of porn on boys and girls.
Thanks, Datun, that's it.

I love the hypocrisy - be open and frank about anything, as long as you are inclusive to the point it makes you uncomfortable, and please don't raise any safeguarding issues lest you be branded a homophobe

It's almost like this is deliberately designed to make children uncomfortable and embarrassed in front of their classmates, yet they are forced to actively participate because this is being presented by the authority figure, the adult in charge. As others have said, WTAF is going on in schools?

Inclusivity and diversity are becoming warped somewhat..... fascism comes in many forms.......

@IAmFleshIAmBone

Anal sex is a lot riskier than penis in vagina sex. It's not standard. Penises are not designed to go in anuses. It's a kink, whether you're gay or straight. And that's okay, but children don't need graphic descriptions of how to do things with their penis/tongue/fingers/vulva to someone's anus.

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OP can't be bothered to read the thread but stopping by to say your attack on LGBT was noted. Such a thinly veiled attempt to get people to pearl clutch and get people to moan on about LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 Have a flag and a

That's nice, did you note it down in your little notebook?

I bet it was a rainbow striped notebook too

I’d probably be ok with this if consent, safety or female pleasure featured in it.

I understand from reading the thread that we’re supposed to trust teachers to fill in that bit. But why not feature it more prominently in the game itself? It’s one of the main points of sex education. Personally I do trust my child’s (current) teachers, but there are goods schools and bad schools, good teachers and bad teachers - just like there’s variability of quality in any profession. Also, correct me if I’m wrong but I thought this type of education was often ‘contracted out’ - so it won’t even be the teachers my child and I know and trust delivering it, will it?

And I’m sorry if it’s homophobic to say this, but I think by their nature LGBT charities do not put the best interests of heterosexual girls and women front and centre.

LGBT charities don't care about women and girls full stop. It's a sad fact.

@IAmFleshIAmBone

LGBT charities don't care about women and girls full stop. It's a sad fact.

You got that right.

And I’m sorry if it’s homophobic to say this, but I think by their nature LGBT charities do not put the best interests of heterosexual girls and women front and centre

They don't put the best interests of gay men or lesbians first either.

None of this is anything other than a stereotypical view of what they might get up to that lives in the heads of straight men who watch too much porn.

For those who think this is 'perfectly fine....'

The concern, is that games like this are giving the message to children that acts such as anal & oral etc are 'expected' of them. No, it may not say that in those exact words but that is very much the impression given and I suspect, how it will be taken by many children. Especially children like mine who have ASD but whom are in mainstream school. My child I expect, would take this literally and like I said, would presume this was what boys expected of her. She would likely become quite distressed at the thought in actual fact.

@LadyH846 its almost like unless you want to identify out of being female, or identify into being female, you don't really matter at all.

@nolongersurprised

No-one picked up on this earlier in the thread, but this is exactly the problem and the whole point, they DO need this dicussion precisely BECAUSE it is easily found on the internet.

They need a discussion about boundaries and emotions and consent because of porn’s accessibility. They don’t need to emulate the stuff they see in porn. They need to know about female sexual pleasure and how far porn deviates from it. They don’t need instructions about anuses rubbing.

I agree with this, that children need proper education on boundaries and consent, girls in particular need to have the tools to be able to say no.

Research has proven time and time again that countries where sex education is dealt with in an open, direct, no nonsense manner show lower teenage pregnancies. As a parent of a teen this isn't something I can get worked up over, and since the UK ranks pretty highly for teen pregnancy I can't see how this can be misinterpreted as anything other than a discussion about bodies, sex and how it works.

Perhaps we need to be looking into the type of sex education given in those countries with lower teen pregnancy rates. Because despite more and more graphic sex education in the UK, we still haven't managed to significantly lower the rate here.

So it goes right back to my comment at the start of this post. We need to be teaching kids about consent, boundaries, and also that porn is not real life.

FFS. We are living in 2020. Most of us posting here have friends of all stripes, sexualy orientations, genders etc. Being concerned about safeguarding and how information is presented to children during sex education is not a swipe at the LGBT community, most of whom will absolutely share these concerns. Have you any idea how many gay people are shying away from organisations who claim to represent them but are actually making them feel utterly marginalised?

Their hard won rights are being used to push boundaries in areas that they never expected nor wanted, and in fact some of these organisations are doing more to set "heteronormative" society against them than has been the case for years.

Money and power are huge factors in this - examining agendas is crucial to protecting everyone in this particular bun fight.

I would have loathed this as a teenage girl. Upon leaving any standard sex ed class, some boys felt emboldened to issue lewd comments and demands at the girls. This type of forced participation would make it infinitely worse.

It's as if being 'inclusive' is considered much more important than damaging children

No, don't care for that.

(You don't need to be a Sex Ed teacher to have an opinion.)

Isn't having sex as a subject titillating enough to keep students interested without needing something like this?

[quote Marriageoftrueminds]@clymene I know they are because I have seen kids (even young ones) do it in class! Again, the teacher isn't going to give out objects and encourage kids to shove them in their bits, are they. They are going to explain the safety aspects, don't you think?[/quote]
You've seen children inserting objects into their anuses and vaginas in class?

I would be worried that it would normalize anal for young teen girls.

@JanewaysBun

I would be worried that it would normalize anal for young teen girls.

It's already being pushed on girls that they should be up for it. DD is now 20, but recalls a lot of conversations at school when 15 or 16 that boys were expecting anal. So glad she decided against having a bf back then.

According to S Charlesworth, this "game" also contains the following:

“Several images appear to be illustrations of a DSD, a disorder of sexual development, a very rare medical condition in which external genitalia is ambiguous…[there] is the drawing showing a partially stitched vulva, the stitching over the clitoris area, the result of female genital mutilation.”

And:

Session 3 asks What Is Your Normal? Various activities are suggested and the group is asked to place them on a quadrant of normal, harmful, not normal and safe. Among the activities are “Having anal sex”, “Receiving a gift from someone in exchange for sex” and “Watching pornography”. The booklet advises using ‘usual’ and ‘unusual’ or ‘common’ and ‘uncommon’ instead of the more value laden ‘normal.’ Suggested supplementary questions about anal sex are “Is this usual? Who can have anal sex? Is this activity pleasurable? What might you need to consider if having, or thinking about having, anal sex?””

And:

“Next the class is shown 15 black and white drawings of male and female genitalia and asked which ones “you are likely to see in (a) textbooks (b) pornography (c) a doctor’s surgery”.”

Anyone who knows the statutory safeguarding guidance, knows that the above says 🚩 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

https://www.transgendertrend.com/proud-trust-nothing-proud/