AIBU to think teachers should not be teaching sex games to children?

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Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

Why do ppl constantly try to make kids grow up faster

Yep it's grooming as far as i am concerned and deeply inappropriate.

@Apollo440

Yeah let's teach girls that anal sex and rimming are normal acts and they are prudes if they say no. This isn't sex education, it is grooming, normalisation of extreme sex acts. How about teaching girls that they can have boundaries and say no to stuff they are uncomfortable with.

I agree, there needs to be more focus on boundaries and discussing what coercion looks like - for both boys and girls.

And on girls anatomy - for both sexes.

I would say this whole game/document itself is coercion, so don't expect anyone teaching it to be educating children on coercion, if they can't see that this is extremely problematic and creepy.

Perhaps the teachers won't want to use this dice game either.

I agree that is nice to have some mystery and this makes it mechanical.

Healthy Relationships and boundaries are more important and saying no

‘I've never seen a dental dam used in a porn film......

What's the next step in the brave new world of sex education then?

At 16 you get the manual, a bottle of lube, condoms, some anal beads, a dildo, a dental dam and a number to call in case of accidents?

I mean, it's only responsible information sharing, right?’

I don’t watch porn so I don’t know. I am opposed to this game or any other kind of forced participation by teens.

I do however think kids should be told about safe sex. That would include condoms and dental dams, and did when I was at school 30 years ago.

You learned about dental dams 30 years ago?

@Stripesgalore

I'm in complete agreement with you, sorry for my snippy tone.

I have never come across the use of dental dams myself, nor the recommendation to use one is all.

It really bothers me that children, vulnerable for all sorts of reasons, may be "jollied along" in this sort of classroom activity.

I earned about them 25 years ago, so not sure why that is a huge shock.

HIV/AIDS prevention was a major part of sex ed in the 90s

Which explains why those of us who had sex ed in the 80s are a bit behind the curve I guess.

Also, if that particular activity isn't your bag, you wouldn't necessarily come across it.....

It’s a shame that female sexual pleasure - you know, from breasts, nipples and clitorises - doesn’t seem to be “cool” enough to feature much in this game.

It’s not teaching young people about sex, it’s extremely male focused.

@nolongersurprised

It’s a shame that female sexual pleasure - you know, from breasts, nipples and clitorises - doesn’t seem to be “cool” enough to feature much in this game.

It’s not teaching young people about sex, it’s extremely male focused.

Yep. Almost as if this game was created by a man.

[quote Marriageoftrueminds]@IceCreamSummer20 I already have. I explained that teachers are going to say that porn has skewed the picture, anal sex can be painful and unsafe and in fact not all women enjoy it. Teachers are not going to be saying 'oh yeah anal is great, your homework is to try it yourself'.[/quote]
Teachers like TomNook might and I don’t want teachers like that anywhere near my kids with this game.

You learned about dental dams 30 years ago

Yes. I was at university then. They were a major part of teaching safe sex between lesbian women. Because DDs are re-usable, there were even articles published on how to sew lace around them.

Never made me less scared of the actual dentist though!

It's been about an hour since I started writing this, so apologies if it's already been said, but here goes:
LittlBrownDog attaching diagram of internal clitoris. Impressive
I think this kind of activity is inappropriate as part of SRE (and yes, Tom, I have 20 years experience of teaching SRE to children and young people). Teaching and learning in SRE is most effective when teacher facilitation ensures appropriate boundaries and creating a safe space for delivering the curriculum and discussion. This resource deliberately fuzzies boundaries by introducing an element of chance. It is so open to misuse in a "Let's just throw this out there and see where it takes us...!" kind of way. It is potentially far too open ended. There is nothing this resource can do that good teaching cannot facilitate, but without creating the blurring of the boundary between directed teacher facilitation and unsolicited conversation starter.
On a separate note, but of similar flavour, my DC10 asked me seemingly out of the blue what being pan and an enby is yesterday. Apparently, you can collect coloured pins on Roblox to show support for the LGBTQ community. This is on a very 'young' pet-swapping game, and players 'dress' their pets with the coloured pins (gay, lesbian, bi, pan, non-binary and trans). I personally fail to see the overlap in interest. But I totally see a deliberate blurring of boundaries through the introduction of an unsolicited, randomly introduced "conversation-starter", designed to stimulate talk about specific subjects, possibly for the purpose of sexualising, rather than informing, children.
Just like the sex-act dice.

This isn't sex education, it is grooming, normalisation of extreme sex acts. How about teaching girls that they can have boundaries and say no to stuff they are uncomfortable with
YY exactly this. As PPs have said this would raise safeguarding red flags in any other context. By trying to normalise it (the conversation between adults and DCs; the complete absence of any discussion/prompts about consent, boundaries, health care, the pornification of culture) it erodes DCs' ability to recognise when they are being groomed and what is appropriate. It also marginalises women and girls.
It does not take into consideration the context any 'games' will be delivered in - which is a society that is increasingly eroding girls' and women's boundaries; a society where lobby groups are pushing for the normalisation of paedophilia; a society where magazines for teen girls have been taken over by an aggressive, male corporate sensibility that is forcefully pushing pornified culture on them; a society where girls and women are subjected to dick pics, revenge porn and death threats - just for existing on social media and in RL.
So yy your little box of dice perfectly encapsulates all of those issues and doesn't challenge a single one. Pandering to the male gaze and the male sex experience isn't 'groundbreaking'. It's fucking heartbreaking and it's pathetic that people are bending over backwards to try to justify it.

Yes, I had sexual education in the late eighties at the height of the fear over AIDS.

Anywhere you went as a young person there would be condoms and sometimes dental dams. At the time I assumed this was for use in oral sex on a clitoris. The rimming element didn’t occur to me.

Can’t find a clearer picture of the game

Breasts and nipples not mentioned. At all

For the children boys and girls.
Body parts have now been renamed.

Clitoris is now called the external clitoris and prostate is now the internal clitoris.

Jeez.

who Wrote this stuff

Imagine having to play that game in classroom and having to talk about what you would do with fingers and an anus

^ children shouldn’t be forced to do this and if their parents aren’t aware of the detail of the classes and don’t opt out, the poor kid is stuck discussing what objects they should put in someone’s anus in front of all the other kids.

What is wrong with people. How can anyone think this is ok?!

@ChristmasCarcass

HIV/AIDS prevention was a major part of sex ed in the 90s

Not while the Tories were in charge it wasnt. It was all tombstones and sonorous music. About as crap as this dice stuff.

What a 13 year old does not need is a discussion on inserting objects into multiple orifices. That is easily found on the internet

No-one picked up on this earlier in the thread, but this is exactly the problem and the whole point, they DO need this dicussion precisely BECAUSE it is easily found on the internet.

The main thing I would object to about this dice thing is the dire lack of focus on female anatomy/experience, as many have already said.

And...People characterising homosexuality as a "kink" need to wake up and move into the 21st century...

Yep - there is a massive undertone of women being the receptacles of men's sexual pleasure, however they wish to achieve it. Women have different erogenous zones that seem to be mainly over-looked.

Monty Python actually covered this exceptionally well in "The meaning of life" - I had John Cleese's voice in my head saying "What's wrong with a kiss boy?" as I read through the thread...... foreplay eh? Who needs it? Oh, only women, obviously, so it doesn't really matter......