AIBU to think teachers should not be teaching sex games to children?

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Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

What was that homework sheet that made it to the press where the pre teen kids had to define word like revenge porn etc? And the teachers said they didn’t expect the kids to google it...

@IAmFleshIAmBone what on earth makes you think that?

Yeah let's teach girls that anal sex and rimming are normal acts and they are prudes if they say no. This isn't sex education, it is grooming, normalisation of extreme sex acts. How about teaching girls that they can have boundaries and say no to stuff they are uncomfortable with.

Can someone please answer: are they actually going to use this to teach kids? or is it just a suggestion at the moment? I can't see the article it's behind a paywall.

If they're going to use it, I despair of our next generation. If they grow up with healthy attitudes towards sex it'll be despite shit like this.

@Apollo440

Yeah let's teach girls that anal sex and rimming are normal acts and they are prudes if they say no. This isn't sex education, it is grooming, normalisation of extreme sex acts. How about teaching girls that they can have boundaries and say no to stuff they are uncomfortable with.

Rimming cannot be hygienic. I'm all for experimenting, but putting your tongue in someone's bum? You've got to be joking. And then teaching it to kids?

I mean when I was a teen and had my first kiss (didn't like it much) that was a bit much for me. Let alone thinking about anal sex and rimming. WTF.

I agree @Xenia but you can't withdraw them if you aren't advised of the content of such sessions. When a school nurse demonstrated to a class of girls how to put a condom on a cucumber (possibly giving the wrong ideas of what a penis should look like) there was no discussion of consent or that it was illegal for under 16s to have sex. Parents were not informed this session would even take place let alone its content.

I am very open minded and discuss everything with my DC but against a back round of legality, love and consent.

@Marriageoftrueminds I have been utterly shocked at the right on attitudes of some teachers, nurses, midwives, etc. From the GP who looked at me after my first miscarriage and proclaimed "Oh, did you want it", to the midwife who asked "has it got the same father as your first" to the midwife who told me off in front of the consultant who wanted to be called Mr that they didn't use titles for women because not all were married, to the CAMHS nurse when dd was very ill who looked and looked for family problems and then laughed when I told her dd had been diagnosed with a neuro developmental disability. So but just one but a swathe of people who appear to be incapable of thinking the best of people and reaching for the lowest common denominator rather than the highest. So I am sorry but I no longer have any truck with liberal, right on brigade who think they can dictate and only their way is right.

But why do you need dice for that Marriageoftheminds? It is children’s required active participation (without their consent) which raises all sorts of red flags for this.

Where is the evidence that this is a sound, appropriate way to teach sex ed to 13 year olds whilst safeguarding children and respecting their rights? I don’t mean opinions or arguments, I mean actual evidence?

@Marriageoftrueminds

Because groups like Stonewall and Mermaids are actively trying to encourage the transing of children and erase boundaries, such as lesbians only wanting to sleep with biological women. There is a huge focus on 'sex positivity' and liberalism also. Do you see the words woman/man, boy/girl in that document?

I’d a child told a teacher that they were playing this ‘game’ at home, safeguarding red lights would be flashing.

Assuming this is aimed at teenagers... Sex happens and IS going to happen, whether you talk about it not. I'd rather my children were well-informed about sex, so that they can access it safely, maturely, and enjoyably when the time comes.

The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts"

This is completely unnecessary. Instead, they should be teaching critical thinking at school. Because those seem to be notably absent in the Robespierre faction who are being produced in industrial quantities by 21st century 'universities.'

@zingally

Assuming this is aimed at teenagers... Sex happens and IS going to happen, whether you talk about it not. I'd rather my children were well-informed about sex, so that they can access it safely, maturely, and enjoyably when the time comes.

Have you RTFT? Any of it?

13 year olds, and no-one is saying Sex Ed shouldn't happen. Simply that this particular material is crap and creepy.

Lady, you can use a dental dam during rimming to prevent infection and STDs.

Whether teachers are telling pupils about dental dams, I don’t know.

I really wish my sex ed had covered anal sex. I came of age at that window of time where internet porn was available everywhere but wasn't in the curriculum yet and parents were miles behind their kids technologically. I wish someone said to us "yes anal sex is a thing, here's what's it is, in spite of what porn leads people to believe plenty of people don't do it and you don't have to if you don't want to". Every one of my boyfriends expected it

It's grooming, and if you can't see it you're blind frankly.
Firstly, I am not a prude. I have been around the block a few ( hundred) times and there isn't much I haven't tried
Secondly I went to rough schools where worse stuff was discussed in the playground by 11/12 .
Thirdly I have teens, and have talked a lot with them about sex, porn, I'm very open
BUT
There is a world of difference between acknowledging that certain sex practices exist ( and making sure CHILDREN know they can excercise CONSENT at all times) and playing a "fun game" about shoving objects in anuses
The power dynamic is key. Adults in positions of authority playing sex games with children in their care (who ironically cannot choose to not be there) is grooming.
Just like-porn exists, some children have seen porn, but showing porn to children is sexual abuse.
My teens have pretty comprehensive internet controls on phone, but yes I know they have seem porn on other kids phones. We have talked about it, my oldest son is frankly freaked out by something he saw and we had to go over the difference between porn and real sex. They know real sex is consenual, respectful, and about mutual joy, not about shoving body parts into other body parts. We are humans not sex robots.
And the fact that the clit is ignored...ha! Says it all.

Some people are in such a rush to prove they are a cool mum not a regular mum their common sense has completely left the building.

@Hangingover they can teach kids about it without giving them tips, or actively encouraging it as a normal part of sex.

Every one of my boyfriends expected it

The skill you should have been taught is critical thinking, resistance to peer pressure and your inalienable right to establish your own boundaries and say no. You were failed by your teachers.

No one is questioning that it shouldn’t be talked about zingally. They are questioning whether this is the right way to do it. Bearing in mind the dice doesn’t even include ‘breasts’ I question the agenda behind it and whether it is for any benefit for the children.

@Stripesgalore

Lady, you can use a dental dam during rimming to prevent infection and STDs.

Whether teachers are telling pupils about dental dams, I don’t know.

It's so grim. Why would anyone want to put their tongue near someone's anus is beyond me, even with a barrier.

@SerenityNowwwww

I’d a child told a teacher that they were playing this ‘game’ at home, safeguarding red lights would be flashing.

YES!

@JamieLeeCurtains, a poster upthread did actually say she didn’t want her children learning about “dirty” things like gay sex. Plenty of people have equated learning about this kind of thing as “grooming”, and “kink”, said they don’t think their children should learn about it. They are ok with “birds and bees” style teaching about human reproduction, but not with their children discussing actual sex acts like fingering or oral.

Why is an LGBT charity dictating what is taught in schools? Are other political lobby groups allowed to dictate the content of lessons?

I've never seen a dental dam used in a porn film......

What's the next step in the brave new world of sex education then?

At 16 you get the manual, a bottle of lube, condoms, some anal beads, a dildo, a dental dam and a number to call in case of accidents?

I mean, it's only responsible information sharing, right?

@ChristmasCarcass

I do not want to have conversations with children about how a penis and an anus could interact in a ‘fun’ way.

As long as you are not a sex Ed teacher, that’s fine. But don’t you think that gay boys need to know? And there will be a couple in each class, even if they aren’t out. Or do you just expect they will work it out for themselves eventually?

Why not? Experimentation is an important part of growing up. Heterosexual couples all learned what went in where without an instruction manual before the advent of hardcore porn. Sex education should concentrate on reducing unplanned pregnancies and stopping the spread of STIs rather than worrying about this stuff.

To paraphrase Yes, Prime Minister - "I'm all for teaching them the facts of life but not sexual technique".