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AIBU / Selfish to not want to date a single Mum?

393 replies

jimmyjammy001 · 30/08/2020 00:16

I am a Male just turned 30, single for couple years, never married, no kids, own house, good job, having drinks with friends tonight and dating subject came up, none of which are dating people who allready have kids, I said not really anyone suitable on online dating as they have children and that is not what I want from a long term relationship, a couple of them (females) said that I am selfish for not dating women who allready have children.

I have done in the past, but it never worked out for me, I allways found it alot of hassle/problematic/dramas. I have met some genuinely nice women but unfortunately it comes down to the kids getting in the way for it not working out, if they were childless then I could see a future.

Some examples are:

Nights in with them and their children causing havoc, not what I or I think any bloke would want on a date night.

I would have to plan my lifestyle around their childcare arrangements, I do shift work and can have Mon, Tues and weds off but they might only have Thurs eve free for a few hours so I would rearrange shifts and then just as the date is going well they will look at their watch and be like it's half 8 I have to go back and relieve the babysitter and put the kids to bed. I like the dates where we can just sit back have drinks til like 11/12 after food then go back to one of our houses.

Holidays have allways been a no go, can only go during summer holidays and pay 4 times the price to somewhere like butlins, never can have weekends away just 2 of us, or last minute date nights, everything has to be planned weeks in advance so childcare can be arranged and sometimes their kids will go sick on the night which means date cancelled.

I want someone who can come out late with me and my friends and not have to dash off early each week and can do couple things as well. If I stay out then it causes arguments.

Staying over theres and usually have their kids jumping up and down on the bed in the morning, not fun!

Weekends if the kids are with them, we have to goto pepper pig World for the day or some animal adventure park and then go to hungry horse and eat rubbish food as it is a child friendly place and listen to kids running around screaming their heads off. Or watch them play football for a few hours, or dance practice. Non of which I can stand.

I suppose as a male with no children I have alot more time on my hands to go and do things on my days off, go on holidays outside of term time, nights and weekends away, camping, playing sports, non of which women with children that I have been with can do, it just allways feels like I am a part time boyfriend as only get to see them once or maybe twice a week, otherwise they are just to busy. I understand their kids need to allways come first and I will allways be second, would just much rather be with someone where we are both each others no 1 and can start a family from scratch not a ready made one.

Looking at longer term one or two I have been with rely heavily on benefits, I don't think I could live with someone else and their kids it would probably drive me insane and also being step dad, but also they're benefits would get recalculated if we were to move in together taking my salary into account which means they would not receive any benefit money and I would have to subsidize / give them over £1000 a month out of my take-home pay, which I really can't see as fair?

Then there is the dramas of the ex, as there is a reason they are not together, so you have to offer sympathy all of the time and agree with them when they talk negatively about the ex, birthdays and Xmas is allways very complicated, where kids should be having to pick them up from different places.

What is quite annoying/hilarious is that some womens dating profiles who have children genuinely can't understand what problems their kids bring to a relationship and will say my kids are my world and if your not man enough to handle them swipe left or it's your problem if you don't like my kids, they will get very defensive and hostile as soon as I mention that I am not interested due to the kids if they have not mentioned they have any previously.

In my opinion the cons far outweigh the pros, Surely I can't be unreasonable for not wanting any of this hassle? My own happiness should be paramount in a relationship, not just get into one to make someone else happy.

OP posts:
Billben · 30/08/2020 08:19

Oh, and I hope you have had the snip, because you really wouldn't be a good dad!!!!

Don’t be stupid 🙄

I’m married with 2 kids. If I divorced, there is no way I’d get into a relationship with a man who already has kids.
If I was OP, I wouldn’t date single women with kids either.

nosswith · 30/08/2020 08:20

I am a man. I did once and the relationship ended because it had got to the stage where I would become a step-dad and did not want this. It was difficult because otherwise the relationship was good.

I would not do so again. The important thing is to try to be as tactful as possible about it.

Port1aCastis · 30/08/2020 08:22

How come at only 30 you've dated so many single Mothers and apparently had such life experiences, and there are 2 people in a relationship not just you and what you want,

museumsandgalleries666 · 30/08/2020 08:22

I don't blame you, kids are intensive work and relentlessly boring, unless they're yours, and even then.....

I'm a child free women and hardly ever make friends with people with young kids. It's hard enough trying to have a conversation/ relationship with another person or couple without kids getting in the way.

I guess having your own kids might change things for some people, but I wouldn't know and am so glad to be child free.

nannybeach · 30/08/2020 08:22

You are just being honest, you may change your mind who knows. When I had my last DC, works frineds of my DH said they never wanted or could imagine eiher having DKs or being prenant, one girl in her twenties alikened it to the "Alien" film, 10 years on a couple of kids. I had 3 when I met my now (second) DH, he had none and found it incredibly difficult. He is only 7 years younger than me, yet, only,13 years older than my oldest DD. When I got married, he was still climbing trees. Am interested, genuinly, no, nastiness intended as to why you posted on a site called Mumsnet

Lockdownseperation · 30/08/2020 08:24

Well it certainly wouldn’t be a good idea to date a Mum or anyone who is not single.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 30/08/2020 08:24

What is quite annoying/hilarious is that some womens dating profiles who have children genuinely can't understand what problems their kids bring to a relationship

YABU for this part - it's disparaging and unkind. The rest, you fancy who you fancy and if you don't find single parents attractive you just don't. Likewise plenty of single women wouldn't date a man with DC, so it's whatever works.

TroysMammy · 30/08/2020 08:24

It's not selfish it's your choice. My choice for dating was non smoker and animal lover. I also didn't want a bald man but didn't put that in my profile but didn't contact them. Shallow to some but why settle for something you don't want.

You wouldn't buy a red sofa if it wasn't your thing but the only one on offer, you'd wait until the right one came along.

daisychain01 · 30/08/2020 08:26

@Angelina82

I love how defensive some of the single mothers on this thread are, and I say that as a single mother myself. OP is entitled to state his preferences isn’t he?
Or Top Trumps posting on a parenting website all the GF things a 30yo Male can list out about single mothers to try and pull people's chain.

Kinda "and your point is???......."

TitsOutForHarambe · 30/08/2020 08:28

I don't see why so many people have taken offense to this. I am married so it is hypothetical for me, but I would never date someone who had children from a previous relationship again. Did it once before I met my DH and it was really tricky, it made everything complicated.

I wouldn't date unless I could see it going somewhere, as I'm not interested in casual sex, and I wouldn't want to build a life with someone who already has children. This is perfectly reasonable. I would want to have children with my partner, and I would want those children to be my partner's first children and first priority. I think a lot of people would choose this over a partner who already has children.

I came from a broken home and it was a mess, my mum's new husband was awful and already had a child who hated me and my sibling because we had "stolen" his dad and moved into his turf. Plus then my dad had more children with his new partner and that came with so many more challenges for everyone involved. It was just so much to deal with and made things difficult for everyone involved.

I know some people deal with it well and it works ok but it's not something I would ever choose and it's a bit silly to say that this is selfish. People can date whoever they want to, they aren't obliged to choose someone who isn't a good match for their future goals just because it would be "selfish" to discount them. Utterly ridiculous.

IndecentFeminist · 30/08/2020 08:29

Not entirely sure why you're here?

Splellow · 30/08/2020 08:31

I don’t think you needed to write an essay tbh. If you don’t want to date women with children then don’t, you don’t have to justify yourself.

Ihopeyourcakeisshit · 30/08/2020 08:32

Date who you want.
Keep your options open though, if you're posting on a parenting forum late on a Saturday night, you're not exactly fighting them off are you.

TheBusDriver · 30/08/2020 08:34

However at 30 the majority are likely to have children and you never know they may be perfect for you.

ImaWomAnnotaWomEn · 30/08/2020 08:36

I get the impression OP is hoping for a gaggle of single mums trying to out do each other, letting him know how dateable they are.

Don't think he knows MN very well.

D4rwin · 30/08/2020 08:38

I was a single mum and I wouldn't go near any single dads, because they generally wanted a full on relationship from the start, I did not. Far better if someone makes clear from the start that they're definitely not worth dating if you have kids and they're going to be 'off' about you having other priorities. But a heads up. If a person with kids is having their dates in their house they're not really giving dating a go.

Clockticktock · 30/08/2020 08:39

Interesting that OP hasn't been back!

I think you're absolutely right that you need to date someone on the same wavelength as you. When I was single and childless I didn't want to date a man with kids either!

Saying that I think you come across sneery and horrible and I think if you ever have kids you'll look back on this post and cringe.

SmileEachDay · 30/08/2020 08:40

For someone who doesn’t want to date anyone with children, you’ve racked up lots of different experiences with women who have children.

Orrrrr you’re just throwing out a set of generalisations about women with children.

I wonder which one.

Wakemeupwhenthisisover · 30/08/2020 08:41

You are allowed to put your wants and needs first you know. You don’t want to date anyone with kids. That’s fine.

TheNavigator · 30/08/2020 08:41

Totally reasonable to me. When my parents divorced, my dad was clear he wouldn't get involved with a woman with children - he had me and my sister as his full priority. Not wanting to take on someone elses children doesn't mean the OP will be a bad dad - it could mean the very opposite. My late father was wonderful and I loved that he prioritised his children when it came to looking for a new relationship (and happy ending, he had a long and happy second marriage with a child free woman who I am still in touch with now he has gone).

Northernparent68 · 30/08/2020 08:42

Your friends and some of the posters are just projecting.

HelpOrHindrance · 30/08/2020 08:42

YANBU
I got to my early 50s and dated someone in his later 50s. He then told me he had a 9 year old daughter and my heart sank...I just couldn't carry on because every other Weekend would be taken up..so I do get it

Newmumatlast · 30/08/2020 08:43

@jay55

It isn't selfish to not date women with kids.

It would be selfish to date women with kids and expect them to fit into your lifestyle.

If would be selfish to lead on a woman with kids and dump her when she was ready to introduce them to you.

We all have things that are on our no list.

This
MeredithGreysScalpel · 30/08/2020 08:44

YANBU to not want to be in a relationship with someone who has children. At all.

However, I voted YABU because you appear to just be a goady fucker. The women you’ve dated (and it sounds like you had a lot of examples) aren’t typical of single mothers in my experience. I’ve dated a fair bit, and my children were only introduced to two men, and one of them was a three year relationship. If the man stayed over at mine, my children were not here. We didn’t go on ‘family days out’ because I was dating someone for me, not interviewing a new daddy. It sounds more like you’ve just picked wrong ‘uns.

RunningFromInsanity · 30/08/2020 08:47

YABU because you wrote a whole essay when ‘I don’t want to date a single mum’ would have been sufficient.

I don’t date guys with children as I don’t want to. Simple.