AIBU to wonder what conspiracy theories you think may hold some weight?

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Generally speaking I hate conspiracy theories, but is there anything out there that’s passed off as a conspiracy theory that you think holds some weight? I personally have some questions about the assassination of JFK.

Thanks for the podcast recommendation, Alonetime. I will have a listen.

I really love the podcast “Astonishing Legends.” It’s more about myths than conspiracy theories (stuff like aliens and mothmen) but it’s very sensible and well-researched. Not pouring scorn but not wacky true believers either.

OTOH I was listening to a podcast recently titled “Is the American governing covering up the existence of Civil War Bigfoot.” Amazing.

Oh I’d forgotten about Brittany Murphy and her husband, totally agree that something about that seems really off!

I have lost 2 people close to me to suicide.
People close to them very often have no idea they are suicidal.
Most people reported as having killed themselves did in fact kill themselves. It might be hard to understand but it is actually a common way to die, sadly for many of us.

911 doesn’t all add up.
Lockerbie, but the truth is slowly coming out as those that neeed it to stay hidden are reaching an age where they are dying off.
Dr David Kelly.

We know MSM and social media manipulation is real. I don’t think that makes those who try and look behind the manipulation conspiracy theorists. And the best way to discredit someone is to make them put to be a crackpot (hence the really bad footage of alien autopsies )

Slippery eel, yes, but in this case everyone was carefully watching out for his mental health because it was an extreme situation to be in. It is the opposite of people having ‘no idea.’

Boltzmann, I will listen to that as well then. I am not that keen on aliens, but any ancient reoccurring creature is interesting.

I have to say, since the barefaced gaslighting of the public by Boris and Co about the whole Dominic Cummings thing, I am much more inclined to believe, not in conspiracy theories as such, but that those at the top will do anything to slither out of a difficult situation.

I just couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing from those politicians at the time!

David Kelly
Gareth Williams - the spy who was found dead in a padlocked bag

I think David Kelly, Jeffrey Epistein were not suicides. Soon to be followed by the Maxwell woman no doubt!

I do believe covid19 escaped from a lab. I don't necessarily believe it was man made but I think they collected samples from animals and it infected a lab worker who didn't realise and went and infected everyone else. I do believe it was a massive cover up, and has been around for a good few months before they say it has.

I do not believe the latest blood eating, Hollywood paedophile thing that is going around and that they are all complicit with hundreds of thousands of child trafficking cases every year. I fell down that rabbit hole for hours one day and it just all seemed too weird.

@TracyBeakerSoYeah

I think Diana's accident was orchestrated from within the arms dealing industry due to her campaigning against land mines. I actually think Mi6 found out/knew about the plot but were unfortunately too late to stop it.

For goodness sake, how much damage to arms industries would the ex wife of Prince Charles realistically ever have done? And if they were going to kill her, don't you think they could have found much easier ways to do it than by organising a car accident which she would have survived by the simple expedient of wearing a seatbelt?

@Jourdain11

A while back, but there are theories about Margaret Thatcher's backer, Airey Kneave, having been bumped off by MI5 rather than by INLA. I forget all the details, but apparently he would have had a major government role and had got drunk at a party and let slip some comments about how hands on he was going to be with the secret services. Apparently he believed/knew that there was infiltration at the very heart of the organisation, at the top levels, and he intended to be merciless in rooting it out. Essentially, he made Whitehall too hot to hold him, and MI5 bumped him off in such a way that it looked as though it was INLA (who were presumably only too happy to claim responsibility).

I always thought that had a ring of truth to it.

I'm 100 percent with you on this one!

I think a lot of conspiracy theories have a grain of truth in them - perhaps governments have better intelligence than they are willing to let on or whatever - but it is lost in a lot of guff. I wouldn’t be surprised if interested parties stoked the fire tbh to cover up what the actual truth is!

I Also think a lot was covered up in the madeleine McCann case, but I also know it goes down like a lead balloon on Mumsnet so I’ll leave it there!

@Stripesgalore

I doubt anyone close to David Kelly thought he was happy during that time period. People were supporting him through a difficult time of pressure.

Those people are in a much better position to know his state of mind on that day than people on the internet speculating. And they didn’t think he was suicidal.

No one had any idea my uncle was suicidal the day before he committed suicide. We were visiting him and my aunt and had had a lovely meal the night before and were planning a day out the following afternoon....

I do believe covid19 escaped from a lab. I don't necessarily believe it was man made but I think they collected samples from animals and it infected a lab worker who didn't realise and went and infected everyone else. I do believe it was a massive cover up, and has been around for a good few months before they say it has.

Why do you think this? What is so unbelievable about the idea that someone contracted it from eating or having contact with an infected animal?

Am I the only one who thinks Prince Andrew really did have an American Hot at Pizza Express in Woking... Surely no-one could have made that up?

Oh I think he definitely did do that - just not on the evening in question!

‘No one had any idea my uncle was suicidal the day before he committed suicide. We were visiting him and my aunt and had had a lovely meal the night before and were planning a day out the following afternoon....‘

But David Kelly wasn’t having a lovely time. He was under enormous, exceptional pressure and mental stress and people who cared about him were making a great deal of effort to talk to him about coping and mental health.

Those people may have not known exactly how he felt, but they are going to have made a more accurate assessment of how than people on the internet can.

It isn’t at all like someone who appears to be having a nice time that nobody was attempting to give mental health support to.

There's a great series you can find on YouTube, with Jon Ronson interviewing a diverse range of 'conspiracy theorists' - the one on the Bilderberg group is fascinating (people who insisted this meeting of elites happened regularly were derided as conspiracy theorists, and their existence was, in fact, suppressed by the mainstream global media), the one on Ruby Ridge and the Oaklahoma City Bombings is amazing too. Very enlightening.

@Scruffymac I'm glad I'm not the only one who buys into that! It just seems so... coincidental. And why would INLA have particularly bothered with him? He wasn't even in government yet.

I will also be very interested to learn exactly how much of a Nazi Edward VIII was when those files are finally unclassified.

[quote WanderingWordsearch]@PhilSwagielka

I agree about Bernie. It's all so odd and nothing adds up in the slightest. Unfortunately I can't see them being transparent either [/quote]
The story about him is so horrible and sad. His body was found in the barracks at Catterick three or so weeks after he'd 'gone missing' and his body had started to rot. Apologies for being gruesome, but corpses do smell and you'd think someone would have noticed. There's also a theory that his body was purposely left to rot because it would make the time of death harder to confirm at autopsy. He'd also been bullied previously for being an Irish traveller.

I hope his mum gets closure one day.

@MellySandra I have seen/read things that have doubted Stone was behind the Lin and Megan Russell murder. It was along the lines of sketchy evidence and the police desperate to have someone for it.
There was talk at one time of it possibly being Levi Bellfield.

I will never believe Diana’s death was an accident. The mother of the future king in a relationship with a Muslim? The Act of Succesion that forbade senior royalty marrying a Catholic was only amended in 2013. No trace of the car that hit them?

What's the Monroe conspiracy theory? Do people think the CIA did her in because of Kennedy?

@WhoWouldHaveThoughtThat

Am I the only one who thinks Prince Andrew really did have an American Hot at Pizza Express in Woking... Surely no-one could have made that up?

I think he absolutely did. I think he just thinks we're all too guillible and thick to realise that eating pizza in the afternoon/early evening with his daughter isn't proof that he wasn't being a creep late at night/early hours of the morning elsewhere.