To feel so angry at the prospect of a no deal Brexit

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The clock is ticking now and this looks like the most likely scenario. It's not fair on the almost half the population who voted remain, and it's not fair even on those who voted leave because it's so different from what they were promised. And, to inflict this on the country in the middle of the pandemic is the last thing we need.

I voted remain and didn’t vote for that fucking prick.

I’m just going to sit back and watch this shit show unfold and hope that the people who voted for this mess reap what they sow.

Nicholas Soames agrees with you Caplin www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/pm-no-comparison-with-churchill-says-grandson-to-la-repubblica-1-6785610

@TorkTorkBam

Christ on a bike cardi You are so blinkered.

You think it is abhorrent to not take other people's shit seriously? I agree. Shame you don't practice what you preach.

The leavers feel that YOU don't care about the shit THEY face. That's why they voted leave. Yet you still don't listen you just say they are all racists, thickos and bigots and the big mistake was giving them a vote.

One rule for them and one rule for you.

I choose to look for the positives. You can whine all day long about the plebs who shouldn't have a vote because they are too racist and thick to realise that your vote was the one true way and total disaster looms because they made the wrong choice.

Fortunately we are a democracy and the plebs don't have to obey you.

The more your carry on like this the more you drive people to reject your ideas as being those of the out of touch liberal elite who care nothing for ordinary people and would deny them the vote in a heartbeat if they could due to their propensity for making decisions you disagree with.

I haven’t said any of those things. Literally said nothing like that. I criticised you for your attitude, which is abhorrent, sorry.

@LastTrainEast

Consider the possibility that being willing to leave without a deal might lead to a better deal. Like walking away from a used car deal to get a better offer.

Remember that the EU do want to trade with us. They need to or it will affect their economy. They want the best deal for them of course just as we do.

Oh it's nothing like that. If you walk away from a used car deal, you still have the car you drove there in.

Absolutely @PseudoBadger
It’s like publicly setting fire to your own car on the garage forecourt when all the staff know you have to drive to work on a route with no buses and then try to negotiate a deal. Walking away just massively disadvantages you and everyone knows it.

And as for cladding, irrespective of what the UK did or didn’t say it would do, it was compliance with the EU regs on energy consumption that led to Grenfell being covered in flammable foam boards

Load of rubbish, the UK 's own lack of regulation allowed flammable boarding to be used, plenty of insulation board is available that doesn't burn and the UK's own testing allowed it to passed as suitable.
I doubt you voted remain either, judging by that comment

FWIW I think the idea of IQ tests is disgusting. It's bordering on eugenics and IQ has been debunked as an indicator of intelligence. And something like that has the potential for abuse.

Voting Remain/Brexit doesn't make you thick. There are some stupid reasons for voting Brexit, like 'we'll be able to eat fish and chips out of newspapers' or 'it'll get rid of all the foreigners' BUT that doesn't mean ALL people who voted for Brexit are stupid and I'm bolding that just so people don't get the wrong end of the stick.

@TorkTorkBam like what? What issues that made you want to leave the EU don't Remainers care about? I'm not asking this to be a cunt, I'm genuinely curious. Was it because your area wasn't getting enough funding from the EU? Was it to do with Turkey possibly joining? Fishing rights?

I don’t agree with IQ tests, instead we need to do something about social media being used as a tool to manipulate people. It’s scary how easily lies posted by anonymous or fake accounts go viral. Add to that we now need to worry about lies from official accounts, what with the home office tweeting party political rubbish about activist lawyers stopping us from deporting migrants.

[quote PhilSwagielka]@TorkTorkBam like what? What issues that made you want to leave the EU don't Remainers care about? I'm not asking this to be a cunt, I'm genuinely curious. Was it because your area wasn't getting enough funding from the EU? Was it to do with Turkey possibly joining? Fishing rights?[/quote]
I am a remainer.

I am open to listening to the concerns of leavers.

Your post suggests you are not. You have already decided leavers are cunts. Your list of suggested reasons (did you think if were a leaver I might have forgotten my reasons?) would be offensive to many leavers.

I was surprised by the result. I decided this meant I lived in an echo chamber so I decided to properly listen to leavers rather than wish they had never been given the vote or dismiss them as gammon. This process has improved me as a person. I understand more about other sections of society. I am still a remainer.

You have already decided leavers are cunts

Where did phil say this?

I can’t see it

I can't see it either.

And ive checked nice normally im bored well before the checking stage

The list of reasons. It was the list of someone who had decided the likely reasons were me being small minded, ill informed or racist. It was very "when did you stop beating your wife"

A simple why did you vote leave would have been enough if phil actually wanted to understand a leaver. I would have of course responded that I am (a) not a leaver, I am a remainer and (b) I am European, as was clear up thread.

So she didnt say it

Ok

I can go to bed then 🙂

@AnneTwacky

We did elect MEPs to represent us in the EU though. Why do people still think we didn't?

Because they were about as much use as a chocolate teapot (and much less tasty).

MEPs have/had very little power to block things, decisions were made far above their level by people who were appointed rather than elected. Most MEPs were quite comfortably suckling on the teat of the gravy train so had no incentive to rock the boat. Would you if you earned a handsome salary with expenses paid and (for most member states) no taxation of your income? So the Eurosceptic MEPs from the UK and a few other nations were heavily outnumbered in the European Parliament, despite forming a majority of the UK's representation.

Well this is fun. Covid obviously got boring .

You “experts” are missing one important fact.

The reason we are in this position is not all about brexit . It’s because corbyn was the alternative .

Not all conservative voters wanted brexit and some of the comments on here about racism are quite frankly unbelievable. Nothing is that black and white.

If negotiations are failing perhaps that is down to the eu trying to block our reasonable demands .

And btw I was a remainer .

'reasonable demands' is something of a non sequitur surely?

And it wasn't a vote about party politics. Not sure what Jeremy Corbyn has to do with it. He's Eurosceptic.

The Tories and Labour both had politicians for and against. It wasn't party political.

Oh lol just read your post again.

'some of the comments on here about racism are quite frankly unbelievable. Nothing is that black and white.'

It's satire, right?

"Consider the possibility that being willing to leave without a deal might lead to a better deal. Like walking away from a used car deal to get a better offer"

The analogy here though is the deal we wanted is for them to give us the car for free. Threatening to walk away if they don't is a bit hollow!

Please tell me where I said 'Brexiters are cunts'. I was calling MYSELF a cunt. Nor did I say that I didn't think certain people shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm against that idea, not least because it could easily be abused.

I didn't realise throwing out suggestions was offensive to Brexiters either. JFC.

@TorkTorkBam

The list of reasons. It was the list of someone who had decided the likely reasons were me being small minded, ill informed or racist. It was very "when did you stop beating your wife"

A simple why did you vote leave would have been enough if phil actually wanted to understand a leaver. I would have of course responded that I am (a) not a leaver, I am a remainer and (b) I am European, as was clear up thread.

They were just random reasons. If I wanted to accuse you of being racist I'd have said something like 'do you hate Poles' or whatever.

Christ some people on here are hard to deal with.

Excellent. Like the Arthur Daley negotiating model. Got anything else? I hear Mr Trotter may be available to give a hand when he's finished devoting his time to developing a world beating app. A winning team.

If its any help phil you were very clear that you were trying not to be a cunt...as opposed to calling someone a cunt

It’s like publicly setting fire to your own car on the garage forecourt when all the staff know you have to drive to work on a route with no buses and then try to negotiate a deal. Walking away just massively disadvantages you and everyone knows it.

A good analogy.
One thing that I've noticed from this thread is that is seems to be (some) Brexit voters who want to continue the leave/remain debate. That has been and gone. The point is now, what trade deal we can get, something that will materially affect all our futures, short and long term