To feel so angry at the prospect of a no deal Brexit

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The clock is ticking now and this looks like the most likely scenario. It's not fair on the almost half the population who voted remain, and it's not fair even on those who voted leave because it's so different from what they were promised. And, to inflict this on the country in the middle of the pandemic is the last thing we need.

@FatCatThinCat

They got 38% of the vote. Only in brexit Lala Land does that equate to MEP's overwhelmingly supporting a no deal brexit. Spin it how you like, it's pure fantasy.

What's the percentage of the vote got to do with anything? I never claimed they had highest percentage of the vote. The Brexit Party overwhelming won the European Elections and their manifesto is for a No Deal Brexit.

The Brexit Party overwhelming won the European Elections

They didn't. Not that it matters now anyway.

@Southwestten

Right, we should totally demand IQ tests for voters. Disenfranchise the stupid! That’ll learn ‘em!

A mn poster started a thread suggesting this in all seriousness after the EU referendum and there weren’t that many objections.

Tbh look what happens when you do let thickos vote.

Brexit. That's what happens

Oh god those Brexit people in the EU parliament waving their bloody flags.

I felt mortified as an English person, seeing that.

Read the first page of the thread - totally agree with you OP.

David Frost, the UK's Chief Negotiator is doing his best to get a deal and Michel Barnier has to understand that he is not in a position to impose anything on the UK.

Erm - we are not in a position not to compromise if we want a deal. Presumably the Tory elite do not want a deal.

Don’t want unelected (by us) politicians from other countries making decisions about our country.

They never did.

Can’t read any more Brexiteer nonsense so will stop there.

Brexit happened back in January. There was a deal. What is being negotiated is the trade deal, they are not the same thing.

@TorkTorkBam

The impact of Brexit pales in comparison to what the lockdown has done to us.

It's like your house's roof leaking badly, which is quite serious and needs action, but then lightning strikes the house, some walls blow out and it catches fire. The roof leak isn't the problem any more.

The pandemic means the EU will care more about rebuilding economies than about punishing Britain. Despite being a remainer I think the pandemic has increased the chances of a genuinely good deal being made.

Can’t be,Evie I’m the only person to pick this up. Read the whole thread to be sure. You really think Brexit, which is a permanent change and deprives us of all our deals with other countries will have less of an effect than lockdown? Many, many businesses will pick up again as society becomes more open. There’ll be increased unemployment and a recession, possibly (not guaranteed - looking at retail figures crashing while no shops were open is a good way of making things look worse than they are). The effect of Brexit was always going to go on and on and on. The pandemic and lockdown will make it worse, but they are NOT worse for the country than Brexit.

@SchrodingersBox

Brexit happened back in January. There was a deal. What is being negotiated is the trade deal, they are not the same thing.

There wasn’t a deal. There was a withdrawal agreement which meant we agreed how to proceed towards getting a deal. The 9n,y deal that matters, the deal Johnson wanted you to think he was talking about with his ‘overnight-ready’ nonsense, is a trade deal. And incidentally, Johnson agreed to stuff in his WA that he objected to in May’s - he even allowed things she had managed to get taken off the table, like a border in the Irish Sea.

Oven-ready*

@Crankley

StoneFacedCrone *@Crankley* you mentioned a Dutch paper was talking about Dutch companies preferring London to Amsterdam. Any chance of a link? not the Spectator's report on it.

I only had The Spectator link but I have googled the Dutch paper/magazine mentioned in it and, of course, it's in Dutch. I searched 'Unilever and google translated the first part of the article which says:

'Unilever will step down from its British-Dutch structure on the weekend of 21 and 22 November 2020. From that moment on, the company is exclusively British on paper, the group reports Monday.' This is the link: www.nu.nl/zoeken?q=Unilever&page=1 I hope you speak Dutch.

For the last four years a lot of remainers on here have called leavers racist, xenophobic, stupid, thick as pig shit is one I fondly recall. I don't know what they are trying to achieve since the majority of us are none of those things and we don't give a damn what they think and it makes them look silly. A little originality wouldn't go amiss.

I am all for people moving to the UK, IF they have the skills we need and work and pay taxes. I equally think that on their release, all the Eastern Europeans currently in our prisons, should be shipped back home, along with their families. It has nothing whatsoever with being racist, we don't need more rapists and criminals here.

And Remainers have been called racist, cucked, Remoaners, Remaniacs, traitors and told to fuck off out of this country. I try to be polite in Brexit debates but let’s not act like the Brexit side are innocent and have never said anything nasty. And likewise, calling me a Remoaner is not going to make me think ‘I should have voted Brexit’.

I can't do anything about Brexit so I am choosing to look for the positives rather than sinking into an angry pit of despair. It makes life easier.

If there is one thing I know for sure it is that Brexit will have unexpected and unintended consequences because that happens with any huge complex change.

The children and I have the luxury of remaining EU citizens after Brexit thanks to dual nationality so if the UK becomes shit for us compared to, say, Sweden or Ireland or Holland then we can move. Not so great for DH as the trailing spouse mind.

What I am saying there is that it is easier for me to be more relaxed about Brexit than others because I have more options.

@TorkTorkBam

What I am saying there is that it is easier for me to be more relaxed about Brexit than others because I have more options.

Perhaps you should stop being so focused on your own happy situation and stop trying to get people who don’t have your advantages being relaxed about it. Jesus! The idea that a person can be relaxed about shit happening to others because they have a way out is abhorrent to me.

For the last four years a lot of remainers on here have called leavers racist, xenophobic, stupid, thick as pig shit is one I fondly recall.

I don't think remain voters have killed anyone though have they.

@Clavinova

I see you cherry picked quotations from Accord and Teva to support your argument.

I quoted both of the drugs manufacturers in the article.

“Warwick Smith, director general of the British Generic Manufacturers Association, said manufacturing demands during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic meant “that not all companies will be able to create a six-week stockpile for all medicines.”

He goes on to say;

“So an approach encompassing all of the elements in the government’s letter is the right way to go, including alternative routes established by manufacturers and the government, and ensuring that there is total clarity on the procedures that our members and their logistics suppliers will need to follow at the Channel ports,”

He doesn't say;
"Pharma has already said it can’t create a 6 week stockpile this time."

I think you have some reading comprehension issues. The BGMA are very concerned. They have said they can’t all stockpile. Just because two of the many generics manufacturers claim to be in a good position it doesn’t mean the others are.

I would like you to be right, very much, but you’re not.

No deal is better than a bad deal.

Christ on a bike cardi You are so blinkered.

You think it is abhorrent to not take other people's shit seriously? I agree. Shame you don't practice what you preach.

The leavers feel that YOU don't care about the shit THEY face. That's why they voted leave. Yet you still don't listen you just say they are all racists, thickos and bigots and the big mistake was giving them a vote.

One rule for them and one rule for you.

I choose to look for the positives. You can whine all day long about the plebs who shouldn't have a vote because they are too racist and thick to realise that your vote was the one true way and total disaster looms because they made the wrong choice.

Fortunately we are a democracy and the plebs don't have to obey you.

The more your carry on like this the more you drive people to reject your ideas as being those of the out of touch liberal elite who care nothing for ordinary people and would deny them the vote in a heartbeat if they could due to their propensity for making decisions you disagree with.

Tbh look what happens when you do let thickos vote

Yes well a lot of so called not 'thickos' bought into the tactical voting malarkey in the GE, the last time that was successful was 1997!

A model based on second guessIng voter intention and then selling it as something to be taken seriously is, dare I say it, not the cleverest idea.

Maybe take a leaf out of the 'thickos' book; pick your side of the fence, tick your box get and get your voice heard without any of this fannying around and dilution with tactical voting.

For the last four years a lot of remainers on here have called leavers racist, xenophobic, stupid, thick as pig shit is one I fondly recall

While this bit has been quoted I’d just say that its not ‘a lot’ of people who voted remain that have called people who voted leave rude names

And Remainers have been called racist, cucked, Remoaners, Remaniacs, traitors and told to fuck off out of this country. I try to be polite in Brexit debates but let’s not act like the Brexit side are innocent and have never said anything nasty. And likewise, calling me a Remoaner is not going to make me think ‘I should have voted Brexit’

Fuck me

How could i have forgotten remoaner!!

(I know how I forgot that...ive avoided most brexit threads because lots of people are just mean!)

It is daft to dismiss about half the population's political grievances because you've decided they must be bad people, your logic being that only bad people could have voted differently to you.

I direct that at both remainers and leavers.

If we continue down that path we end up where America is.

Tackle the issue not the man.

Just add it to the clusterfuck that is 2020...

@TorkTorkBam

It is daft to dismiss about half the population's political grievances because you've decided they must be bad people, your logic being that only bad people could have voted differently to you.

I direct that at both remainers and leavers.

If we continue down that path we end up where America is.

Tackle the issue not the man.

I think this shop has sailed, sadly, although I agree with the sentiment.

FFS, ship not shop

Just add it to the clusterfuck that is 2020...

The problem is it's going to get 2021 off to a really terrible start as well