To feel so angry at the prospect of a no deal Brexit

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The clock is ticking now and this looks like the most likely scenario. It's not fair on the almost half the population who voted remain, and it's not fair even on those who voted leave because it's so different from what they were promised. And, to inflict this on the country in the middle of the pandemic is the last thing we need.

Please don't think this is all about food shortages and medicines because of delays at the border though. The implications go much much further and will add to the job losses already coming down the track from covid, fuck up NI and quite possibly the Union, decimate the countryside.

Exactly. But as yet, we have a few months left to negotiate a deal

The government's tactics on this were clear when they tried to prorogue parliament and Tory MPs complained that forbidding a no deal scenario weakened our negotiating position.

We are involved in a game of brinkmanship. The Tory party under Boris believe that no deal is better than a bad deal. This was made even more clear when he passed a law making an extension illegal. It was his way of signalling he isn't bluffing. He was given a clear mandate to pursue this approach. I gave up getting annoyed by it because that's what people voted for and you can't change it now much as it might end in tears.

I gave up getting annoyed by it because that's what people voted for and you can't change it now much as it might end in tears.

It's probably the best way walksen

Bloody hell, people have moved on from bent bananas and banning prawn cocktail crisps and are now blaming the EU for Grenfell. Disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm sorry for all the Brits who didn't want this but are being dragged into the shit by their fellow countrymen who appear to have no moral compasses. I hope that when the shit hits the fan they step up first to take the hit as it's what they all voted for, and they knew what that meant.

@walksen

Exactly. But as yet, we have a few months left to negotiate a deal

The government's tactics on this were clear when they tried to prorogue parliament and Tory MPs complained that forbidding a no deal scenario weakened our negotiating position.

We are involved in a game of brinkmanship. The Tory party under Boris believe that no deal is better than a bad deal. This was made even more clear when he passed a law making an extension illegal. It was his way of signalling he isn't bluffing. He was given a clear mandate to pursue this approach. I gave up getting annoyed by it because that's what people voted for and you can't change it now much as it might end in tears.

Me too. I just feel really burned out by it all.

I feel sorry for any Remainers that get properly caught up in the Brexit fallout but I suspect the worst-hit areas will be manufacturing and agriculture, which from what I understand largely voted to Leave.

That's true Tasje For those working in those industries who voted remain, it must be horrendous. There will be plenty of knock on effects for us all to enjoy though. As pp have said, it'll be blamed on the pandemic, which is a gift to the Tories in many ways. The Kent car parks and supermarket problems might be a bit harder to explain away.

@Tasje

I feel sorry for any Remainers that get properly caught up in the Brexit fallout but I suspect the worst-hit areas will be manufacturing and agriculture, which from what I understand largely voted to Leave.

Yeah, but in no area did 100% of voters choose Leave (highest was Boston with 75.6%). Imagine being a remain supporter living in a leave area which gets mullered by Brexit. It would feel like a daily extra kick in the stomach.

Otoh, Italy has said it cannot meet debt repayments that are coming up and Spain is in much the same situation. How much bond buying can the ECB actually do before the Germans get really unhappy?

Either way, the future is unknown. There would be changes if we stayed in, that could not prevented with QMV. A coach and horses have been driven through the state aid rules with the bail out of Lufthansa, yet we are supposed to sign up and keep to the (un)level playing field? Hmmm.

Nobody, if we stayed in or left can say what things will look like in a decade.

Nobody, if we stayed in or left can say what things will look like in a decade.

True but history can tell us that our country was in a pretty good trading position and prosperous while in the EU, which conferred many benefits

[quote Clavinova]Pharma has already said it can’t create a 6 week stockpile this time.

5th August;

"A spokesperson for the manufacturer Teva said it was aware of the letter from the DHSC, and that it was “in regular contact with them and other stakeholders about Brexit preparations and have plans in place for safety stock of medicines if needed."

“We’re as confident as we can be that no patient will go without their Teva medicine because of Brexit.“

"A spokesperson for the manufacturer Accord said it had “been anticipating this situation”.

“Over the last three years Accord has made several strategic investments in the UK, providing us with two UK-based manufacturing plants and the largest manufacturer-owned warehouse and distribution centre in the UK by pallet storage locations, all of which has put us in a strong position to maintain the supply of medicines and demonstrate our continued commitment to the UK and NHS,” they said."

www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/government-asks-medicines-manufacturers-to-stockpile-drugs-for-end-of-brexit-transition-period/20208241.article[/quote]
I see you cherry picked quotations from Accord and Teva to support your argument.

From the same article:

“However, pharmaceutical industry leaders have warned that companies will need extra support to rebuild the stockpiles, while others may struggle to build stockpiles at all for some medicines, due to the pandemic.”

and

“Warwick Smith, director general of the British Generic Manufacturers Association, said manufacturing demands during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic meant “that not all companies will be able to create a six-week stockpile for all medicines.”

Right, we should totally demand IQ tests for voters

Stupidity has literally nothing to do with IQ

@Tasje

I feel sorry for any Remainers that get properly caught up in the Brexit fallout but I suspect the worst-hit areas will be manufacturing and agriculture, which from what I understand largely voted to Leave.

Agriculture was also lied to and manipulated. In the same way that 'the dirty foreigners will take your jobs' was spun to a particular demographic, the farmers were told that the red tape was all down to the EU when, in reality, the UK consumer also expects food to be produced to a high standard. It was madness to suggest that the agricultural goods could continue to flow into the EU whilst not demonstrably meeting the same standards, but this is what they were sold. 'Leave' omitted to draw attention to the various bits of gold-plating the UK did, off its own bat, to EU regulations which was why the UK did indeed have tighter restrictions than some other EU countries.

@AnneTwacky

We did elect MEPs to represent us in the EU though. Why do people still think we didn't?

Yes we elected Euro MPs who overwhelmingly supported a No Deal Brexit. So it's great we got what we voted for.

Right, we should totally demand IQ tests for voters. Disenfranchise the stupid! That’ll learn ‘em!

A mn poster started a thread suggesting this in all seriousness after the EU referendum and there weren’t that many objections.

Yes we elected Euro MPs who overwhelmingly supported a No Deal Brexit. So it's great we got what we voted for.

Yes we elected Euro MPs who overwhelmingly supported a No Deal Brexit. So it's great we got what we voted for.

Only in brexit Lala Land did they overwhelmingly support a No Deal Brexit.

StoneFacedCrone
@Crankley you mentioned a Dutch paper was talking about Dutch companies preferring London to Amsterdam. Any chance of a link? not the Spectator's report on it.

I only had The Spectator link but I have googled the Dutch paper/magazine mentioned in it and, of course, it's in Dutch. I searched 'Unilever and google translated the first part of the article which says:

'Unilever will step down from its British-Dutch structure on the weekend of 21 and 22 November 2020. From that moment on, the company is exclusively British on paper, the group reports Monday.' This is the link: www.nu.nl/zoeken?q=Unilever&page=1 I hope you speak Dutch.

For the last four years a lot of remainers on here have called leavers racist, xenophobic, stupid, thick as pig shit is one I fondly recall. I don't know what they are trying to achieve since the majority of us are none of those things and we don't give a damn what they think and it makes them look silly. A little originality wouldn't go amiss.

I am all for people moving to the UK, IF they have the skills we need and work and pay taxes. I equally think that on their release, all the Eastern Europeans currently in our prisons, should be shipped back home, along with their families. It has nothing whatsoever with being racist, we don't need more rapists and criminals here.

Is this thread an example of the stiff British upper lip?

@StoneFacedCrone
That article is dated Oct 2019
This is a link to an article this month
news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/3001822/no-deal-brexit-banks

For the last four years a lot of remainers on here have called leavers racist, xenophobic, stupid, thick as pig shit is one I fondly recall. I don't know what they are trying to achieve since the majority of us are none of those things and we don't give a damn what they think and it makes them look silly. A little originality wouldn't go amiss

Some remainers have definitely done that

Some leavers have also called remainers stupid, traitors and racist amongst other things, posters have been told to leave the country if they didnt like the result and have also been told to go back to their own country

I’m happy to say that its more one way than the other ...but thats because it appears that there are more remain posters than leave...so quite obviously there will be more obnoxious posters, no matter how they voted

So yeah...that post works both ways

@FatCatThinCat

Yes we elected Euro MPs who overwhelmingly supported a No Deal Brexit. So it's great we got what we voted for.

Only in brexit Lala Land did they overwhelmingly support a No Deal Brexit.

My comment was in relation to the MEPs that we voted for. The Brexit Party won the European Elections and had a no deal Brexit in their manifesto.

They got 38% of the vote. Only in brexit Lala Land does that equate to MEP's overwhelmingly supporting a no deal brexit. Spin it how you like, it's pure fantasy.

I see you cherry picked quotations from Accord and Teva to support your argument.

I quoted both of the drugs manufacturers in the article.

“Warwick Smith, director general of the British Generic Manufacturers Association, said manufacturing demands during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic meant “that not all companies will be able to create a six-week stockpile for all medicines.”

He goes on to say;

“So an approach encompassing all of the elements in the government’s letter is the right way to go, including alternative routes established by manufacturers and the government, and ensuring that there is total clarity on the procedures that our members and their logistics suppliers will need to follow at the Channel ports,”

He doesn't say;
"Pharma has already said it can’t create a 6 week stockpile this time."