To feel so angry at the prospect of a no deal Brexit

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The clock is ticking now and this looks like the most likely scenario. It's not fair on the almost half the population who voted remain, and it's not fair even on those who voted leave because it's so different from what they were promised. And, to inflict this on the country in the middle of the pandemic is the last thing we need.

WiseUpJanetWeiss
I think you have some reading comprehension issues.

My reading comprehension is fine.

Just because two of the many generics manufacturers claim to be in a good position it doesn’t mean the others are.

By all means give me the names of two drugs manufacturers who claim they won't be fine. The article also stated that the government's reserved warehouse space was underused before the last deadline - drugs manufacturers and wholesalers didn't need it - they had plenty of warehouse space - that doesn't fit the narrative either.

Consider the possibility that being willing to leave without a deal might lead to a better deal. Like walking away from a used car deal to get a better offer.

Remember that the EU do want to trade with us. They need to or it will affect their economy. They want the best deal for them of course just as we do.

Consider the possibility that being willing to leave without a deal might lead to a better deal.

What have the EU said or done to date that suggests this is realistic?

I like the fact the polls say people would vote to stay now is the main thing erm didn’t they say we would vote to stay before? Didn’t they say lots of things and where wrong lately.

51.??? per cent across the UK and it is called a big majority? Northern Ireland = NO, Scotland = NO , Wales = NO. Stew in your own jiuices you
YES voters-.

Consider the possibility that being willing to leave without a deal might lead to a better deal. Like walking away from a used car deal to get a better offer

All feels a bit like playing poker with the future of this country to me.

I can’t believe people are still arguing about this on mn.

Scotland already gets a better deal anyway with more per head than nasty England. And erm being part of the U.K. mean the overall vote not a regional vote. You could always go independent 🤷🏻‍♀️

Wales voted to leave

@Clavinova

WiseUpJanetWeiss I think you have some reading comprehension issues.

My reading comprehension is fine.

Just because two of the many generics manufacturers claim to be in a good position it doesn’t mean the others are.

By all means give me the names of two drugs manufacturers who claim they won't be fine. The article also stated that the government's reserved warehouse space was underused before the last deadline - drugs manufacturers and wholesalers didn't need it - they had plenty of warehouse space - that doesn't fit the narrative either.

Oh come on now, no business is going to admit being in trouble, is it.

The government is worried, the industry is worried. As I said earlier, you’re wrong, but I wish you weren’t.

www.ft.com/content/4611bf7d-c749-4cfd-bf7c-7a5e2967f9f7

I can’t believe people are still arguing about this on mn.

Four months to the end of the transition period with no deal in sight and you don't think this is a current topic?

I work in public affairs for a large company that trades extensively back and forth to NI. Every week we sit in meetings with UK ministers and senior civil servants. We sit in trade discussions about NI.

It is utterly depressing. We are hurtling towards a cliff edge and they haven’t thought through even the basic details. Then a few weeks ago They seemed to wake up a bit and grasp the enormity of the train that is about to hit them.

All I can say it that unless they get something sorted, you could be looking at your weekly shopping cost jumping by between 5% and 15%. Ministers are worse than useless because all the best, cleverest people didn’t agree with no deal. The current set of ministers are woeful. Civil servants are overwhelmed and most think it is all a horrific car crash, like the government has cut the brakes.

I should feel angry, but I just feel hopeless. I also live in Scotland, I don’t want another 5 years of constitutional wrangling, I just want schools to get better. But I fea4 BoJo and chums have ignited something by being utterly useless and people may decide they want out of the UK. It would be a horrendous idea, but even I can barely stomach just how useless and wilfully negligent this government are.

I can’t believe people are still arguing about this on mn.

Yeah, it's called current affairs

It's depressing caplin, the Conservatives have forgotten their 'and Unionist'.

@NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite

No deal is better than a bad deal.

Not Everything, Please explain your cryptic comment. Why is 'no deal' categorically better than a 'bad deal'?

No deal is WTO rules, which will be the worst deal.

And it will be the poorest who suffer most.

Caplin thanks for your insight. It is really interesting to hear from people who exposed to the actual processes ,(or lack of).

I was gobsmacked to read that Boris is openly talking about reneging on the withdrawal agreement he boastfully signed (or capitulated all the hard won bits of Theresa May's deal). I am still horrified that (as far I know) they are lacking the personal and infrastructure to manage trade between NI and the mainland.

I find it hard to describe the contempt and anger I have for this government.

I am married to someone from an EU country. We currently live outside the EU. We want to move back to Europe. It is no exaggeration to say that we have to choose one country - the UK or DH's. I simply don't trust the UK government.

The EU has had enough and seem to be on the path of accepting no deal.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-uk-talks-latest-germany-cancels-eu-summit-a9690911.html

Champers at Jacobs tonight anyone?

You can trust this government to really think long and hard and make the right decision. Despite all the recent difficulties, you can see they made hard choices, but got it right.

or not.... How many U turns recently?

yeah, sure. This government know what is doing...

"Consider the possibility that being willing to leave without a deal might lead to a better deal. Like walking away from a used car deal to get a better offer"

This concept and others like it have been a mainstay of the pro-leave argument for the past 4 years. The fact that anyone (regardless of political leanings) could think that negotiating multiple international trade deals and associated treaties and agreements is in any way similar to buying a used car is just the most pathetic and tragic thing I have ever heard. I am just so sad at what these people and their cheerleaders have done to our (once) wonderful country. The next few years are going to be awful. And it all could have been avoided. I'm just so sad.

^plus, it’s an approach that has manifestly failed. It would only have not failed if the EU needed a deal more than we did. Which they very obviously didn’t and don’t.

"Consider the possibility that being willing to leave without a deal might lead to a better deal. Like walking away from a used car deal to get a better offer"

I can’t see how we can negotiate better than FREE trade with one the world’s largest and richest markets. Anything we come up with will cost more, why wouldn’t it? It is sheer fantasy.

And to think the US will put us on a fast track to a fab deal is also crazy.

@Yogatomorrow I knew it was bad, but sitting listening to them with just a few months to go I regularly have to pick my jaw off the ground. They Do not understand the ramifications of what they are doing, and just look shocked when you point out the problem. To the point where they are relying on companies like mine to help design the negotiation, because they have no clue.

Throw in a pandemic and recession and they are really in trouble.

I have been doing this work for 20 years, this is the worst, most useless set of ministers I have ever witnessed.