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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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Funguy · 24/08/2020 19:28

Incandescent with typos

MitziK · 24/08/2020 19:29

I can understand exactly why either country you have mentioned previously wouldn't hesitate to add somebody threatening to expose the address of somebody in your job to a 'Don't ever darken our doors because you're a security risk' list.

There's no way when somebody is threatening something that they know full well is a massive security and personal safety issue (or they wouldn't be threatening it in the first place) that they'd get a 'hello, welcome to the country'. And conversely, it would be stupid to release a new address to that same person.

I'd do absolutely nothing to get it overturned. It would be a lack of judgement in terms of 'this person directly and knowingly threatened CT operations by releasing your address, yet you want her allowed in?', it would show that a bit of family pressure and you bend to their will, it would cause all manner of shit if she did turn up on a personal level, she is undoubtedly a security risk, which affects the country you are in and likely many others - does that mean she'd happily talk about things that have got back to her somehow through the family to anybody who'll listen? - and in any case, consequences of actions, innit? She threatened something, she gets the consequences of threatening it.

I'd tell DN that their mum threatened this, that is a security risk and as a result, people far above have banned her from travelling to where you are. It's a pain, and it's personally embarrassing, but she did it and those are the consequences of threatening such things; if he wishes to see her, he will need to travel back and you'll support him to do so, but she is never going to be able to come here as a result of her threats.

TL;DR - tough shit.

(The user name makes sense in terms of multilingualism and the job, so I'm not sure why people are making something - but not saying what - about it, by the way)

DishingOutDone · 24/08/2020 19:30

I want to ban my sister in law now. Is there an online application form?

Srsly though, I have been NC with my SiL for 19 years and its worked out marvellously all round. Cant recommend it enough.

Arthersleep · 24/08/2020 19:30

Besides which, this all seems rather like the script of a badly drafted book. A little over egged perhaps.

FizzyGreenWater · 24/08/2020 19:30

This post has been hidden until the MN team ban the poster from the UK mainland and all allied jurisdictions

FizzyGreenWater · 24/08/2020 19:31

Or just tell your DH that you HAVE talked to them and persuaded them to overturn the execution sentence.

MitziK · 24/08/2020 19:32

Oh, and I'd throw in that by letting it be known that she has this information and is prepared to weaponise it, she's actually putting herself and the rest of the extended family at huge risk, too - from people that would very much like to know more and could/would take advantage of her/use her for awful things.

MrsGrindah · 24/08/2020 19:32

@ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress

I’m not going down for this crock

Snort!

SummerPoppies · 24/08/2020 19:35

I had fish for tea. It was nice.

HeronLanyon · 24/08/2020 19:36

This post is in temporary exclusion (not quite a ban)

katy1213 · 24/08/2020 19:36

And she hasn't even put fuck off Daily Mail on it!
A security risk in itself.
Anybody taken on the option on the film rights yet? I'm thinking Olivia Colman for the sister-in-law.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 24/08/2020 19:37

The material in the OP is potentially outing from a personal perspective but there is nothing identifiable at all about the working context.

Imagine this post were legit? A long posting history doesn't necessarily authenticate it, but at least one response made by OP suggests to me that it might be. Some responses would then only look like resentment of someone else's high-powered work and a great opportunity to put them down. Healthy scepticism is no bad thing as a rule but it doesn't necessarily make you look clever. As for tracing someone's entire posting history to 'prove' they are lying, why on earth would anyone bother to go to those lengths? (Esp. when MNHQ have people who are paid to do it).

No one's too 'important' to get their guilty pleasures from posting on an internet forum. People from all walks of life use this site not just the parochial middle classes.

+1 for Susan Forward!

ghostyslovesheets · 24/08/2020 19:37

do you eat Fararo Rocha OP?

TheTrollFairy · 24/08/2020 19:43

I want to know what job you have... is it easy to fall into the role for someone with only a college education behind them? There are a few people I would like to get banned from a whole country!

In all seriousness tho, I’m assuming that DN knows what you do for a job? And due to his age he is likely to know what implications having your address revealed could entail and seeing as he lived with his mum he will know what she’s like so I think just have a conversation with him about the ban and that if you move he cannot disclose the address to his mum but tell him he is welcome to stay for however long he wants in your home but if he needs to be with his mum then you understand that he has to leave but the door will be open if he wants to return.

In second seriousness tho, are you (wo)men in black?

Inching · 24/08/2020 19:45

That’s nothing, I was banned from the entire world once.

Bad-ass. Grin

Bravefarts · 24/08/2020 19:47

Forget sil, and country, how do I ban my sister from the county?

minimagician · 24/08/2020 19:51

I don't see where the discussion is with DH about reversing this. I'm guessing it's not a country she'd be going to often anyway, however, you weren't involved in the decision making. Surely going to the host country's police force and asking them not to apply their own law which they did to protect you and your family would make you look professionally (and personally) ridiculous.

You won't be there forever either, presumably a max of 4 years and it sounds like you haven't just arrived, so less than that. Unless she has family in the country - close family, not 5th cousins - I'd definitely be doing nothing at all.

minimagician · 24/08/2020 19:53

*I'm guessing you personally wouldn't be chatting to the chief of police about this, but that makes it even worse, because even more people would know!

BacklashStarts · 24/08/2020 19:53

You’ve had a lot of advice but I would echo that you need to tell your nephew the facts as you have laid them out here in your opening post. You just need to tell your husband frankly that you cannot get this overturned, that’s just not in your power.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 24/08/2020 19:56

You have a senior position in a diplomatic/security role and you tell your life story on MN

GrinGrinGrin

DanielRicciardosSmile · 24/08/2020 19:57

Wonder if I could get myself banned from my country? It'd be the perfect excuse not to have to go to work tomorrow... 🤔

VestaTilley · 24/08/2020 19:57

Didn’t read your full post, just the bit about dinner parties, but if she’s as rude and unreasonable as you say - never mind publishing your address!!- I wouldn’t be lifting a finger to help her, nor would I feel guilty.

sonjadog · 24/08/2020 20:07

Come on. You are in a top security position, in fact so top and important that your SiL is banned FOREVER for revealing your address online and you can post what you want on MN because "Nothing I've given is identifiable to anyone other than the people involved, none of whom go on this website." Maybe all the people who are so desperate to get your address and find out where you live that your SiL gets banned for life for revealing it, are tracking your online presence and have found you on MN? Maybe someone in a superduper top secret job should have thought of that?

lipstickonapig · 24/08/2020 20:07

@ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress

Loved Harry, completely gutted when they killed off Danny.

Totally misses point of thread...

Rebelwithallthecause · 24/08/2020 20:08

I’m really jealous and wish I could get my SIL banned from our county

No joke