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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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DramaAlpaca · 24/08/2020 20:08

What an utterly bonkers thread.

I have a SIL I'd like to have banned from the country, so if OP has any tips as to how to do it I'm all ears.

Inching · 24/08/2020 20:09

Loved Harry, completely gutted when they killed off Danny.

Harry and Ruth should have had a happy ending. Sad

Inching · 24/08/2020 20:11

What an utterly bonkers thread.

Personally, I think it's marvellous that international diplomacy is so attuned to the minutiae of family arguments. Next week, tune in for Interpol Issues Arrest Warrant for Annoying MIL. Grin

DocOfTheBay · 24/08/2020 20:14

If she only has cause to visit your country because her son is there, it is quite simple in practical terms: her son does not want to see her.
The possibility of a visit is theoretical because her DS does not wnat contact.

And it's up to him - he is, as you say, an adult, albeit a young one. If he does want to see her, he can. with a plane ticket. When that becomes possible.

Meanwhile I think you need to be straight with your DN. Be open and factual, let him know that objectively your role is your role and you have to follow protocols, as do the government. Tell him that in no way would you ever wish, as an individual, to put any barriers in between him seeing his Mum, she has, unfortunately, acted rashly, without thought, and precipitated a situation that is out of your hands. But that of course you will support him to travel to visit his Mum if and when he feels the time is right.

However, of course your SIL, and any other family members she can convince, will see this as you machinating against her.

Which is why it is important that your DH explains what has happened openly calmly and directly with his family. aka gets in first.

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 24/08/2020 20:16

@Inching- oh they should! I have just finished series 1 (again) so funny seeing spies using Nokia phones Grin

SecretSpAD · 24/08/2020 20:16

My husband nearly got banned from Russia once. He's very proud of it and tells everyone. Grin

SecretSpAD · 24/08/2020 20:17

As for Harry and Ruth I am in complete denial and refuse to even watch the episode where she dies. In my head they are in that cottage she bought living happily ever after...l.l

Pinkyxx · 24/08/2020 20:24

I'm not sure it was terribly prudent to post on a public site given the sensitivity of your position.

In terms of the ban, your SiL's actions threatened your families security and the integrity of your position. The ban should stand.

lipstickonapig · 24/08/2020 20:25

@Inching

Agreed

Bravefarts · 24/08/2020 20:26

I've searched OP's username, and unless she's lied in previous posts (possible. Sensible) I know more about her family, job, and which country she lives in.

Doesn't sound very security conscious?

SuburbanCrofter · 24/08/2020 20:33

Loved Harry, completely gutted when they killed off Danny

Didn't Danny go off to be with Zoe in Chile?

(Haven't got that far in my re-watching binge yet)

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/08/2020 20:44

@FizzyGreenWater

This post has been hidden until the MN team ban the poster from the UK mainland and all allied jurisdictions
Weeeeell there aren’t many jurisdictions left now.... perhaps we should send a powerful message by banning them until 1st jan 2021.
friskybivalves · 24/08/2020 20:49

Ruth dies?

lipstickonapig · 24/08/2020 20:51

@SuburbanCrofter

Sorry...it's terrible Sad

MoonahStone · 24/08/2020 20:54

I'm only here for the deep fat fryer references too.

FarTooSkinny · 24/08/2020 20:54

Important questions:

  • What is the process for getting my MIL banned from the country I am in?
  • If she breaks the ban is it a capital offence?
  • Do you have the power to instigate extraordinary rendition flights against SIL?
tinyem77 · 24/08/2020 20:59

I'm another one that does not believe that @sergeilavrov has made this up. Regular lurker and remember previous posts that have spoken about her SIL and her being posted overseas. I have no advice, but wanted to say I sympathise and hope you stay with your original decision.

MrsSchadenfreude · 24/08/2020 21:42

@tinyem77 but if you were involved in security/diplomacy at a National/high level, you wouldn’t spatter details of your life all over something like MN. My post was deleted for mentioning a country, clearly, but it is a country that the OP has mentioned many times in previous posts. I won’t mention it again, but if OP was genuine, from the details she has put on here, it would probably be quite easy to work out who she was, if you came from that country, and worked for the government, given its size, and the fact that everyone there seems to know everyone else!

bettsbattenburg · 24/08/2020 21:45

@SecretSpAD

My husband nearly got banned from Russia once. He's very proud of it and tells everyone. Grin
Pay, that's nothing,he actually needs to get banned. There was a whole list of countries I was banned from years ago: along with most of my colleagues though so it's fairly meaningless.
MrsGrindah · 24/08/2020 21:48

I know someone who is banned from the Vatican. I played no part in it.

Gazelda · 24/08/2020 22:21

@Inching

Loved Harry, completely gutted when they killed off Danny.

Harry and Ruth should have had a happy ending. Sad

I think that Ruth's death was a fabrication and she's now deep, deep under cover. She and Harry meet up in the cottage at weekends.
Inching · 24/08/2020 22:44

I’ll go with that @Gazelda. I had a giant crush on Ruth. I would have watched the hell out of a Ruth-centred spin-off in which Ruth defeated international spy networks without ever leaving her desk via her knowledge of Farsi, Wu Chinese and Ancient Greek.

WiltedWillows · 24/08/2020 22:46

You are in such a high position job that you need to come on to ask?

Tillygetsit · 24/08/2020 23:11

My SIL banned herself from the country. She emigrated. Fabulous!

MitziK · 24/08/2020 23:21

@MrsGrindah

I know someone who is banned from the Vatican. I played no part in it.
Do you still have to keep her away from art galleries?

A mate's Dad is banned from China. All of it. He was a Merchant Seaman, so he has absolutely no memory of it - says he woke up back on the ship with a very cross officer informing him of his permanent barring from the entire country with extreme consequences if he was ever to be found in Chinese waters again, never mind on Chinese soil.

Eventually, he got a job working on rigs. He was very relieved he'd retired when the Chinese started buying up the North Sea - although he did say maybe he would have found out what it is that he had done.

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