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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

OP posts:
MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 24/08/2020 16:31

I also hate when my child is beign passed around like a toy, and for that reason it's not happening full stop. People say you are OTT can pass their children around random strangers on the street if they so wish, but it's your child and oyu set boundaries.

phoenixrosehere · 24/08/2020 16:31

YANBU.

Doesn’t matter that you would do the same thing if it wasn’t Covid times. It is Covid times and who knows how long it’s going to last. MIL is being ridiculous and it seems she has form for it if she is also distanced from her other grandchild.

Why would anyone think it’s ok to just pass a baby around during a pandemic to strangers? And putting the baby’s hands in her mouth is just gross..

Let her tantrum, she’ll come to her senses when she realises that her behaviour has cost her spending time with all of her grandchildren.

ExtremelyBoldSquirrels · 24/08/2020 16:31

@Rennlau

Sorry, for the confusion it's not her first grandchild, he is her third. She is currently not on speaking terms with her other DIL, but unsure of the reason why.

My first child.

I assume it will be because she’s an overbearing nightmare who doesn’t respect her DIL’s boundaries and gets personally nasty when challenged, based on your experience.

I’m not really sure why people feel they have some sort of right to hold and touch babies. They just don’t. DS3 is 3 weeks and we haven’t let anyone not living in this house hold him. Not my mum. Not MIL. Not his eldest brother, who lives elsewhere (because he’s a grown up with a job). Just DH and I really.

I’m certain that both grandmothers think I’m bonkers (because it couldn’t possibly be a joint decision, could it?). But those are the rules: none of them live alone, so they are not in our bubble/household, and that means social distancing. Apparently indefinitely at this point.

Strangers do coo over the baby - but from a distance. All the shop workers I encountered with a tiny baby in a sling did exactly that. Because you can appreciate that he’s tiny and cute without touching.

He’s my 3rd child, so I’m not buying the ‘desperate to hand him to anyone’ thing either. I didn’t feel like that about DS2 either.

Ladywinesalot · 24/08/2020 16:32

Op, I think it’s unfair of the other posters to call you OTT.
Being a new Mother in THESE pandemic times I prob would have been worse.

And I hated my babies being passed around strangers when my mil fancied it.

Your MIL is batshit

And please postered reminder what it was like to be new Mum let alone in these crazy times

2bazookas · 24/08/2020 16:34

I think you've done your best with a difficult MIL.

Baby is fine, DH totally has your back. MIL has received the message loud and clear, the pair of you have set a firm boundary and she can no longer regard you as a pushover. It's all good.

She has a lot to think over, so give her some time and space to calm down and reflect. If she doesn't make the first move, leave it to DH to make contact and test the water. It's his mother.

monkeymonkey2010 · 24/08/2020 16:36

but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents
You won't be doing your ds a disservice by keeping someone like her at arms length or further from him.

You both know what kind of parent she's been to your DP and how her behaviour hasn't changed.
You chose to walk on eggshells to give her space to adjust of her own accord, told her politely enough times, then even carefully 'strategised' your approach when she refused to listen and openly goaded you.....and she still behaved like a bitch.

I would leave her to stew - she'll be back when she wants attention and no doubt will play the victim role - stick to your guns and standard response.
If she doesn't want to work with you and just wants to walk all over you in every way- there's no pint to having her in your lives really is there?

DottyFlossie · 24/08/2020 16:37

You have to do what you think is right for your son. It sounds like you have a supportive partner. Don't let MIL pressurise you.

TheSoapyFrog · 24/08/2020 16:38

Although I do think you are just as OTT as your MIL and suffering from PFB syndrome, and possibly mean grey rock rather than white noise; this is your baby and your MIL should be respecting your wishes, especially with regard to overnight visits.

MissConductUS · 24/08/2020 16:39

I don't think YABU at all. What is it in the UK with grandparents being hell-bent on taking possession of the baby and parading it around like a war trophy? Does this enhance their social status somehow or is it just a show of "authority" over the parents? I've never heard of or experienced this in the US.

Whatever the reason, it's not good for the child and would distress most parents. You were right to stand your ground.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/08/2020 16:42

RIE = another 'never say no' lazy parenting methods that creates children no one wants to be around. IMHO, of course.

When you say 'hand in mouth' are you sure you don't mean smothering his hand all over with kisses? I find it hard to believe that someone would put a baby's whole hand in their mouth. To do what, suck on it, get slobber all over it?

At any rate, whilst I believe that parents have the right to parent as they choose (as long as they aren't endangering the child) they must understand that others will disagree with their choices. And that sometimes their choice will upset people. And that sometimes these 'others' will be people important in a child's life.

Up to the parents to decide which is more important, compromise or strict adherence to their 'rules'. But they must also take the consequences of that decision.

Alwaysinpain · 24/08/2020 16:42

Ridiculous. With Covid around I understand not letting anyone hold baby but without Covid? What was all that nonsense about 'consent?!' He's 6 months old! He's not old enough to differentiate between people (who aren't his Mummy or Daddy of course). At that age, to him, it's just a grown up giving him 'a cuddle.'

If you continue that bizarre behaviour into toddlerhood & beyond, you'll end up with a child who is terrified of any kind of touch from anyone. How is he then meant to navigate Pre-school/Nursery then school? Like it or not, kids are going to grab his arm/put their hand on his shoulder etc and he'll be terrified. Depending on when/if he starts Nursery, the staff will likely need to pick him up at some point - he NEEDS to be ok with that! What if, GOD FORBID, he needs to be admitted to hospital? Nurses/Doctors will NEED to pick him up when you're not there. I could go on with other examples...

It takes a village to raise a child! You can't keep him all to yourselves, locked away forever. I mean this in the kindest way - he is not royalty! You are going to potentially damage his confidence and/or create a very introverted child.

Yes your MIL is a bit OTT but once COVID is less prominent(?!) then there's no reason why she shouldn't be allowed to have him overnight? She is his Grandmother.....

Orangesox · 24/08/2020 16:42

Granted, we have slightly different views on bodily autonomy in relation to babies, but your MIL’s behaviour is completely unacceptable. Well done to the both you and your DH for standing your ground; I’m the only with the beyond cuckoo mother and it’s really not easy going face to face with the very person who installed every single one of your self destruct buttons.

All her tactics are taken from the playbook of every other narcissistic parent I’ve ever met even down to the turning the rest of the family against you all should she not get her way - there is nothing you can do to heal this kind of relationship, as nothing you do will ever be good enough.

SamVimesFavouriteDragon · 24/08/2020 16:45

Bloody shocked by the amount of people who think it's a good idea to put a baby's sticky hand in their mouth right now! Hmm I think people are being really unkind, everyone knows it can be really stressful having a new baby - that's why the term PFB is a thing! It's obviously even harder now with the virus.

You're doing the best you can for your baby! Other people might disagree - and that's ok too, but if they're a dick about it they can just piss off! I was never able to maintain any kind of boundaries with my family until I had my little boy, and it was only once the boundaries were for his benefit that I was able to stand up for myself - now I wish I had done it years ago!

Onesipmore · 24/08/2020 16:48

Hmm I wouldn't be agreeing to the overnight, but not sure that a baby of 6 months can be self assured or that you are 'advocating' for him. All of that sounds a bit precious.Someone holding a baby isn't invading his personal space, he's a baby! However as others have said you baby your rules - but expect a bumpy ride ahead.

Angelina82 · 24/08/2020 16:49

I have no words 😶

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 16:51

@NoSquirrels thank you, I really appreciate your response and will will definitely take heed of your advice. The reason we came across RIE parenting style was because we were so para in the beginning that we were doing everything wrong from being told we were, so done loads and loads of research to try and abate our fears/have reference point - I had no idea it came across so wanky, hindsight/mumsnet has given me some perspective on that front. Will still parent that way, but won't label it or be rigid.

Gonna stick to the bounderies as you advice but weigh it up, so hopefully I'm not being too anal (in all senses of the word) about it.

Again, thank you for being so constructive and giving really kind advice.

OP posts:
Wnikat · 24/08/2020 16:51

Lack of Exposure to germs is really bad for children. I really wish more people were aware of this
www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/child-leukaemia-linked-reduced-exposure-germs/

blibbka · 24/08/2020 16:54

OP, your post is quite lengthy and it sounds like you're getting quite overwhelmed in the details of the situation. To me it seems quite simple; this is your child and the only other person besides you who should have a say in where your son goes and when, is your husband/partner.

Your MIL sounds tactless, insensitive and unreasonable. It's disrespectful, in my opinion, of her to ask invite another person to hold your son without your say.

I think you should stick to your guns. If MIL sees less of your son as a consequence then it's her problem. Far from doing a disservice to your son, I'd say your doing him a favour.

Other family members are no doubt aware of MIL's character so will probably take her gossip on the situation with a sensible pinch of salt.

D4rwin · 24/08/2020 16:54

OK, I will bite, though this seems too OTT to be real. Respecting a child's boundaries is very important and appallingly absent from certain parenting styles. It is something that can come easily WITH communication which grows with a child hitting their milestones. However, this works the other way too. Humans NEED physical contact for their emotional and physical development. Not just their parents, you can find studies on children not experiencing contact with a range of others if you don't want to believe me. Before we explore the world actively and on our terms we learn trust, closeness and reassurance from others holding us, showing us. These experiences are mainly, but not completely learned from parents. It is so important to build relationships and to bond from a very young age (And that starts with touch, being held) PARTICULARLY while the human world has made a necessary decision to severely reduce physical contact.

Propercrimboselecta · 24/08/2020 16:56

You are both being unreasonable. She beeds to respect your boundaries, but your boundaries are very extreme. Believe me, when your child is a toddler, you will appreciate them being used to various people, rather than cowering and crying if anyone tries to engage with them.

TwizzledTurkey · 24/08/2020 16:56

You sound very highly strung op! However I agree with the overnight issue and it’s nice that your dp is sticking up for you against his mother- from the threads I’ve read on here that is unusual! But maybe just try and relax slightly you sound like a drama llama!

MissConductUS · 24/08/2020 16:57

[quote Wnikat]Lack of Exposure to germs is really bad for children. I really wish more people were aware of this
www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/child-leukaemia-linked-reduced-exposure-germs/[/quote]
The child's immune system does need to be challenged but the best way of doing that is by giving them some outside playtime, not by covering their hands in grandma's saliva.

DocOfTheBay · 24/08/2020 16:58

OP, you have had a very unfair hard time on this thread.

Your MIL is inappropriately overbearing.

Demanding to have a baby overnight from birth for no reason than she wants him alone! It just isn't her place. You may in the future be glad for her to babysit overnight, or your baby may love staying and spending time with her. But until you are happy with either, it is not her place to badger you.

And there is no excuse for putting his hand in her mouth, in a pandemic or otherwise.

I can't bear people passing babies around like pass the parcel, and again, out of order in a pandemic.

Approach your parenting in the way that best suits you. That;s how parents parent best, IMO. Be conscious about what you do, and how your baby develops, be observant, ask for advice when you need it, be pleased with how things are going when you don't . Trust your instincts and enjoy your baby.

Doodar · 24/08/2020 16:58

You’re hard work.

Toilenstripes · 24/08/2020 16:59

@Rosehassometoes

You don’t sound bonkers at all.

She sounds like a pita. Just be rude to her. She won’t listen otherwise. Or be polite and look forward to years of her overstepping.

This 100%. It’s your baby. What you say is final. Unfortunately you will probably have to be rude to get your point across.
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