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MIL feels attacked

335 replies

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 24/08/2020 17:00

Oh, I should add that her reaction was way OTT.

Cakeandcustard123 · 24/08/2020 17:00

Sorry I couldnt get past teaching a 6 month old autonomy and consent Confused

nasiisthebest · 24/08/2020 17:01

Your baby, your rules. You decide where he is, who gets to hold him and all hygiene rules. I'd be grossed out if my old gran started sucking my hands, it's not any nicer just because it's a baby.

I don't think you sound bonkers. There is a pandemic on and we all need to be more careful.

Your baby doesn't need grandparents per se, your baby needs happy and relaxed parents. She can either agree to your rules or jyst not see you all.

ancientgran · 24/08/2020 17:03

It is all weird, the hand sucking, the respecting personal space of a 6 month old. Has he got to the stage where he doesn't want his nappy changed and wriggles about? Do you respect his wishes then?

Lockdownseperation · 24/08/2020 17:04

OP I’ve only read the first page of comments and all your replies. MN is an odd place. Normally whatever the first person replies dictates the tone of a thread. If the first replier was supportive of you I think the whole thread would be different.

You sound entirely reasonable except for the white noise response. If you want your child to have good boundaries then you need to model that. Mine your inner tiger Mum and enforce your boundaries.

Spied · 24/08/2020 17:04

Your child- your rules.
I'd not be happy with the things MIL is doing and it's not her place to ask others if they want to hold him.
Plus it's a bloody pandemic.

I'd be keeping her at arm's length.

Greyponcho · 24/08/2020 17:06

Whole hands in mouth? Yup, pretty much done that as baby had decided to dip her fist in her food and it was the quickest way to remove the drips before they got flung everywhere. Also, as LO is teething she’s curious about my teeth/tongue etc. I do also know they say theres more ‘germs’ in the mouth than the toilet seat.
However I do think its weird to do it to other people’s babies and out in public during a pandemic.

YABU to forget that this is mumsnet though - give too little information and you’re dripfeeding; explain your situation thoroughly and still get hassle for it

Disfordarkchocolate · 24/08/2020 17:08

I don't think you sound bonkers at all. There is nothing wrong with having clear rules about bodily autonomy. Many people, usually women and girls, have been conditioned to be 'nice' to the point they put up with endless crap.

Your baby, your rules.

Porridgeoat · 24/08/2020 17:10

You don’t need to bring historic issues up. Just deal with issues nicely as they happen so that’s is natural and a small thing. I do think you’ve made a mountain out of a molehill. Understand it makes sense for your baby not to sleep over or be passed around strangers.

rvby · 24/08/2020 17:11

OP you need to learn to not talk so much.

I know that sounds harsh but hear me out.

You are very earnest, have all sorts of reasons for the things you think, etc. and you are obviously very interested in your own thoughts and opinions, as we all are. Additionally I think you probably like to be liked (as most of us do) and dearly wish to feel understood by others.

But part of becoming a grown up is realising that other people (speaking specifically of people you are not intimate/close with) very rarely give a shit what you think or how you feel. Typically they care about themselves only.

So if you want someone to not do something, just tell them "don't do that, thanks." That's it.

Do not launch into a carefully worded argument to convince the person that they shouldn't want to do the thing you've just told them not to do. Folk don't care what you think and they will feel attacked and patronised by your attempts to get them to think as you do. Explaining your reasoning does not help others get on board and do as you've requested - in fact it makes it more difficult, for the average person, because it makes them defensive.

By launching into a defense of your request, you're essentially inviting the other person to argue with you.

Keep it simple. Never complain, never explain - just tell your MIL (or whoever) to stop fucking doing that, and leave if she continues. Stop with the talking, start with the doing. You'll get better results that way.

dwiz8 · 24/08/2020 17:12

Yabu

You sound so precious over your baby. I get it, first time mother but come on now you're being over the top and your MIL is picking up on that

PermaStress · 24/08/2020 17:14

Who the fuck wants to put a baby's hand in their mouth?! Who the fuck does that repeatedly to somebody else's baby after being told not to?

Who the fucking hell asks to have a baby overnight when they're a few days old?!

Your MIL sounds thoroughly unpleasant and the posters replying telling you you're batshit have got wrapped up in your reasons instead of looking at the behaviour involved.

You and your DH are going to have to be seriously firm with her and be seriously thick skinned about any escalating batshittery she pulls. Anybody who you are afraid of flouncing out of your son's life if you assert reasonable boundaries with is always going to have the upper hand, so i gently suggest that you and yourDH have a chat and agree that you will enforce boundaries with her come what may, and if she flounce then so be it, so that that isn't a threat she can hold over you.

You sound like you're both doing GREAT so far by the way. Holding boundaries is difficult and tiring. Do make sure you both get good breaks from her to recharge.

SnuggyBuggy · 24/08/2020 17:15

It's relevant that there is history with MIL and boundaries. People with healthy relationships with their parents will usually overlook smaller things but when a person has an ingrained habit of boundary pushing its like a "fuck you"

YukoandHiro · 24/08/2020 17:16

Ignore all these other posters. You are not OTT - you are a first time mum at a time of heightened anxiety for everyone about touch and risk.

You keep doing what is right for you. The obsession with splitting mothers from babies so early is a weird cruelty built into our society. Ignore it and make sure you heap love/praise on your OH for supporting you and recognising you and your relationship with your baby come first.

foxyroxyy · 24/08/2020 17:18

You're getting a hard time here and it isn't fair. My baby is 6 months too op. She loves putting hands in mouth but I don't allow it. Covid or not it's gross. I agree with you on consent. Example - we weren't going to let anyone hold the baby a few months back due to Covid but she started reaching out. So we let her have cuddles with the people she chose to as she effectively gave consent after having watched them for a while. Your mil is horrid and anyone judging you for not passing your baby round like pass the parcel is being unfair. YANBU

Ritascornershop · 24/08/2020 17:21

The first page of this was enough for me. My first was very shy as an infant (& small child), there was no way I was going to make her uncomfortable by passing her around. The second was more outgoing as a baby and so personally I didn’t mind.

Your baby, your rules. You don’t want him passed around, people need to respect that.

And Covid or no, putting a baby’s hand in an adult’s mouth is incomprehensible to me. Are they made of cake or something hard to resist? Jesus that’s weird.

Overnight is bizarre, your mil is seriously odd. No advice, but good luck.

wineandroses1 · 24/08/2020 17:22

Threads like this really annoy me. Absolutely no reason for so many people to jump on the Op with nasty comments and calling her bonkers. She's a mum trying to do the best for her baby with what sounds like an overbearing MIL. And who puts babies fists in their mouths? Who demands overnight stays for little babies? Honestly, she is allowed to be uncomfortable with MIL demands and she is allowed to parent without being called bonkers. Lots of spiteful people here sticking the boot in.

ConstantlySeekingHappiness · 24/08/2020 17:24

OP I also don’t think you’re BU.

I’m surprised by many of the responses on here. But I suppose I should be, it’s typical MN style to get the boot into first time parents and then act incredibly patronising and superior about it.

Your MIL is OTT. Who the hell puts a baby’s fist in their mouth. I literally cannot think of a single reason why a person would do that. But I’m sure all the superior mothers on here will be along to tell me why is absolutely essential in life.

And overnight stays - not a chance.

Passing your baby to strangers to hold - not a chance.

I’ve never understood this attitude towards passing babies around either. You would hardly hand your two year old over to a stranger in a shop to hold for no reason.

zafferana · 24/08/2020 17:24

You're being a bit precious, but he is your first DC, so I'll cut you some slack there. But your MIL sounds awful and you most certainly won't be doing your DS any disservice by removing her from his life. You don't know why your MIL and SIL fell out? Well, take a wild guess, why don't you? I'm going to guess that it's because your MIL is bossy, domineering, selfish and opinionated. There you go.

TBH, I'd be delighted to have a bit of a break from her, if I were you, and I'd continue to stand your ground. Your DS really doesn't need this crazy woman in his life.

Iwasonceabrownie · 24/08/2020 17:25

I'm so old I don't think we had parenting books. We just used common sense, it's not that hard to bring up a child, people have done it from when time began. Our babies were handed round all the time, no one ever questioned it. I wouldn't put a hand in a babies mouth but that's about all.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 17:26

@Alwaysinpain, exactly I don't want him to become accustomed to thinking if an adult wants to give him a cuddle then an adult is intitled to do so, he can decide. I might be being para or overly cautious, but 1 in 20 kids are abused in the UK, I hope by doing what I am doing now that it somehow protects him - again, who knows if I'm right, but I'm trying really hard to be a good mum and do my best by him - that's my intent although, how I have articulated it comes across arsey af, so I understand where you are coming from.

I imagine one day he will spend the night, but as a baby I don't see any possible reason for him to do so, why stress him out with a new environment and have him have to feed from something he's never fed from before and I really can't be arsed having to pump before he goes or having to get up to do it while he's gone to avoid getting and sore boob, just so his gran can have him over night.

Just to be clear, he does let you know when he is okay being held, he puts his arms out if he wants held when you ask, he does this with the people in our 'bubble', but of course he doesn't always do this for his dad or I, we just tell him what we are doing as we are about to do, it might seem absolutely bonkers, but it works for us with little effort.

There are lots of reports of lockdown babies being overwhelmed and uncomfortable around people other than their parents, my baby fortunately has not been affected this way, he is self assured and confident baby (sorry mumsnet) I hope this has something to do with our parenting, we could just be lucky.

RIE isn't about not letting a child ever be held by anyone, of course he has and will be held by others.

I hope our parenting doesn't result in what you have described, our intent is the opposite, fingers crossed.

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OverTheRainbow88 · 24/08/2020 17:29

I wouldn’t want any one to put my kids hands in their mouth; pandemic or not, it’s just a bit weird really. I would pick your battles, this is one I would battle over.

I understand you also not wanting a random person in a shop holding your baby, I wouldn’t want that either in these times: and not sure why a stranger would want to hold my baby anyway.

Topseyt · 24/08/2020 17:34

I wouldn't have wanted anyone sucking my babies' hands, and I never did it myself either. Not for any of my three.

It was several years before the grandparents had any of them overnight. I certainly wouldn't have allowed that with a newborn at all, and all of mine were bottle fed.

The grandparents did give the odd bottle and change some nappies, and they did babysit occasionally to allow us to go out, but never overnight on their own while they were newborns. Always when they were either staying with us or we as a family had gone to stay with them.

mbosnz · 24/08/2020 17:35

@Iwasonceabrownie it can be a matter of confidence. I did not have confidence, because there were a number of issues I had to work through from how I was parented, and all I knew was that I didn't feel that had gotten great results, so I wanted to do it a different way. That also meant that Mum wasn't my goto person about some aspects of parenting! So I had to look around and find different ways. And given that my first idea has always been to read a book on something I wanted to learn about, that's what I did. Books and magazines.

Funnily enough, one of the things I had to sort out was about consent and bodily autonomy for children. My family found it absolutely bizarre that from the time they could express themselves, if they showed they didn't want a cuddle or to give someone a cuddle, they were supported not to do so.

It's easy to forget just how new, strange, and worrying being a first time parent to a newborn can be, learning as you go along, hoping you don't make any too massively detrimental cock-ups!

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 17:36

@rvby do you know me personally? Honestly, this might be the best advice I've ever been given nevermind on this thread - thank you!!

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