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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

OP posts:
Rosehassometoes · 24/08/2020 15:36

You don’t sound bonkers at all.

She sounds like a pita. Just be rude to her. She won’t listen otherwise. Or be polite and look forward to years of her overstepping.

BacklashStarts · 24/08/2020 15:36

Sounds like this is the straw that broken the camels back for you and oh. Stand your ground, you’ll be glad you did as people like her will exploit any weakness.

Beachbodylonggone · 24/08/2020 15:37

What does she or any dm /mil want to do that can't be done with its dps around? I am a dgm and didn't lose my head over dgs.

ExtremelyBoldSquirrels · 24/08/2020 15:37

There is something wrong with holding a baby in the midst of a pandemic. Social distancing is supposed to apply to anyone not in your household or bubble. Just because babies are cute doesn’t change that.

Asking someone in a shop if they want to hold a baby is a bit odd even without the pandemic. Especially when it’s not your baby in the first place. Why would you do that.

And it’s not bonkers to not let people put a baby’s hand in their mouth.

The MIL sounds like hard work. But it’s your DH that needs to deal with her, @Rennlau. He needs to make it clear that HE is telling her to respect your (plural, so encompassing HIS) boundaries.

Isit2021yetplease · 24/08/2020 15:37

OP save this post and come back and read it in 3 years time when you likely have another baby too and have been through the baby and toddler years and you’ll see how bananas and OTT you’re being 🤣
That said you MIL also sounds bonkers so all in all your son is in for a fun ride! Do remember you’ll be the MIL to his future wife / husband one day!!

mbosnz · 24/08/2020 15:38

It's her first grandchild, it's their first child.

Their baby, their rules, and she's going to have to adjust to this.

AnathemaPulsifer · 24/08/2020 15:39

I don’t think you sound bonkers! It’s perfectly reasonable not to want her to have him overnight, or not to let her employees hold him, or not to let her put his hands in her mouth especially during a pandemic. Stand your ground.

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 15:40

Oh good glad I'm not the only one who wondered how the 6mo had expressed nit wanting to be held by others.

At that age as long as someone was holding, playing or feeding him my ds was like "mum who?" Grin

I get the whole thing I'd SD and pandemic.

But I think you've gone too far the other way.

Rethink your boundaries and set some realistic ones - overnights is a reasonable one.

AlternateName · 24/08/2020 15:42

YANBU about hands in mouth and DS not going away from you overnight but this

it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature

is PFB madness. He is 6 months old! Babies and toddlers neither understand nor want personal space. Are you going to "respect his personal space/autonomy" when he's 2 or 3 years old and tries to run into the road?

Rosehassometoes · 24/08/2020 15:43

My 7 month old definitely cared who held him.
If she wanted to preserve her relationship with you she wouldn’t repeatedly put his hand in her mouth. I wouldn’t want anyone doing that with my baby.

lemorella · 24/08/2020 15:43

Sorry you haven't had supportive responses on here...calling a poster bonkers isn't constructive or helpful in any way.

Of course with Covid tensions are heightened, of course you do not want your precious newborn passed around and held by strangers in a pandemic. Also no, family should not be getting saliva on your baby, not acceptable. I also hear you on enjoying lockdown from a keeping MIL away perspective.

I have some similar experiences where pre lockdown my MIL took my baby to her place of work and passed dc around to show him off (whilst telling me she was taking him for a walk in the pram, someone I know who works there told me). Now I say no if she asks to take him out on her own. She also dropped no end of hints about wanting the baby for a sleepover, my partner said no stop asking, we will tell you when we are ready. Baby is breastfed. Do not ask again.

I think as baby gets older and their immune system stronger and as covid subsides you may feel more relaxed but you are in no way in the wrong for feeling the way you do. I would be reeling too. If you patch things up from here I think you and DH need to be even more direct and assertive, she either toes the line or access will be restricted/ withdrawn completely. You are the parents, you chose how you want your baby handled and raised, don't be pressured into feeling guilty for your choices.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:43

To clarify we do RIE inspired parenting, baby is 6 months and will willingly hold his arms out when wanting held by someone, he didn't in this instance as person was a stranger to him.

Also, even if we were not doing RIE, the person she offered to hold him was someone we had not meet, plus covid.

I guess I'm willingly to be bat shit if it stops people putting my baby's hand in their mouth or passing him around like a toy to be held by anyone regardless of he is comfortable with it or not.

Appreciate the feedback, nonetheless.

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Wanttolearnmore · 24/08/2020 15:44

It's strange that you don't want anyone to hold your baby , although I could understand if it was purely for covid reasons. I'm not sure whether you'll get your MIL to accept this TBH, I haven't heard of anyone else parenting like this. Or does anyone else do this?
Babies need nappies changing, lifting into high chairs, lifting out of harms way, before they can walk ; they have to be picked up for various reasons as they aren't mobile. So I think your MIL will struggle to understand this.
However you are correct to assert yourselves with the other situations , putting a hand in her mouth is iffy during this pandemic and a bit weird anyway , and it should be down to you as the parents whether her employee holds the baby, or whether baby stays overnight. Otherwise I think YABU.

LightDrizzle · 24/08/2020 15:44

Let her sulk and enjoy the peace.
Next time she is around, be friendly and welcoming but if she starts pressuring you again or doing something daft or something you have asked her not to, ask her to stop, and if she doesn’t, or laughs, or gets angry, calmly end the visit.

It’s unlikely enforcing boundaries now will lead to being no contact for life, and the baby won’t remember these months, they have plenty of time to build a meaningful relationship with grandma in the future.

I don’t get this thing of wanting overnights with newborns, I’m sure it wasn’t the norm in her day, I bet I’m closer to her age than you are.

It’s very helpful that her son agrees on this.

She may calm down as your baby gets more mobile, independent and demanding. Baby rabies sometimes mysteriously disappears when they turning into human wrecking ball toddlers more than capable of saying “No!” and squirming away in pursuit of freedom and anything breakable.

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Watermama · 24/08/2020 15:46

I do get the pressure to let Go have small babies overnight we faced it ourselves, my mum called tinsel when ideas pregnant what sort of cot she should buy for DD for when she stayed over night. I was still pregnant!
I vs part of my wider family culture for grannies to be very involved and common for the baby to stay overnight after a couple of months.
We didn't allow it but I can also see it from a GPS view too it's probably something that's fairly common within their family, she's been dreaming of it for years to suddenly find out it's not going to happen and have all these new rules it's pretty crushing.

You say you don't want to come between your partner and his mother but your attitude and rules are creating conflict eventually it will have an impact on your marriage.

slipperywhensparticus · 24/08/2020 15:46

Why is everyone sucking babies hands? Why is this even a thing? Why are shop staff being asked if they want to hold a strangers baby?

Why is everyone acting like this is normal and its OK to scream your fucking head off about it?

You dont get to munch other peoples babys 🤷‍♀️

Somevampsarehot · 24/08/2020 15:46

I think some of these replies are really harsh.
Actually no, I wouldn't want a complete stranger holding my baby, especially during a pandemic. And the hand in the mouth thing is weird during a pandemic, but some toddlers find it quite amusing.
I think maybe you're being a little over the top with the consent thing, although I think it's great that it's something you're aware of, especially as your child gets older and you can teach them how to say no and recognise that from a young age. And in no way would I have been sending my baby off for a sleepover whilst they were so young.
Luckily it sounds like you and your DH are on the same page, and he has your back here.
I think keep doing what you're doing and establish some firm boundaries. It sounds like you're off to a great start with that already. Let her bluster and moan, she'll soon realise that it's not going to get her anywhere. The last thing you want to do is give in and teach her that she just needs to stamp her feet and she'll get her way. Your baby, your decisions at the end of the day.

derxa · 24/08/2020 15:48

it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature He's a baby.

Orchidsindoors · 24/08/2020 15:50

You cant pass round babies in covid times. I wouldnt want my baby passed round. I dont understand the hand in her mouth either, when she did it the second or third time I'd have said " I've told you this before, please dont do it. And just reaffirm nicely.

TwentyViginti · 24/08/2020 15:51

@slipperywhensparticus

Why is everyone sucking babies hands? Why is this even a thing? Why are shop staff being asked if they want to hold a strangers baby?

Why is everyone acting like this is normal and its OK to scream your fucking head off about it?

You dont get to munch other peoples babys 🤷‍♀️

I am a mother and a grandma. I have never sucked any baby's hands! it's totally alien to me.
Laiste · 24/08/2020 15:52

The overnight thing. No.
The sucking on baby's whole hand. Yuk. No.

Passing a 6 month old to a colleague .... hmmmmmm. Trouble is if it was just the passing baby about without the other two things and the attitude of 'i know best' from her then i'd let it go. And so would OP probably. But that isn't the case.

I think you've done the right thing in addressing the issue properly but she's having a strop and the ball's in her court. Just stay calm and let her come back in her own time. She will come back. She's got loads more to lose.

AuntyPasta · 24/08/2020 15:53

I would find it weird that she keeps putting your son’s hand in her mouth. She obviously isn’t getting the hint that you don’t want her to take your baby for an overnight stay. Your reaction to the employee thing is a bit strong to me but surely social distancing means not having a stranger holding someone else’s baby at the moment anyway?

Orchidsindoors · 24/08/2020 15:53

As for the sleeping overnight at hers...if you get to the point where she is demanding and you no longer feel you can ignore..just say politely, "I'm sorry mil, he is too young and I'm not comfortable with it, I want him with me, so I dont think that will be happening". And just repeat. You dont need to get into a discussion about it, you are the boss. Mine never went to MIls, she ask anyway, but if she had it would have been a no.