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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

OP posts:
Jaxhog · 24/08/2020 16:11

Amazing! The response of some MNetters here.

This is the OPs baby and she gets to decide how people treat him. Whether we agree with her or not, her DH agrees, and he's the only other person who matters. Either MiL respects that or she doesn't get to see the baby. Pure and simple.

Sayitagainwhydontyou · 24/08/2020 16:12

@Exilecardigan

I read that RIE link above. What a hilarious way to reinvent parenting. ‘Let child play by itself with non hazardous toys in a safe space while you cook or clean nearby’ ‘let child play in its own in a safe space’ ie put child in playpen for a bit while you make dinner. ‘Involve the child in its own care by saying I’m going to change your diaper now when bringing child to changing table’ ie talk to your baby during the day.

‘Be consistent in everything you do’ ie children like a routine - who knew!!!

Did you really need to follow and learn a parenting method to know something so basic @Rennlau I see they offer parenting classes too on the method. What a great way to make some easy money!!

I laughed so hard my tea came out of my nose.
Orchidsindoors · 24/08/2020 16:12

"main reason being babies are born without the bacteria that causes cavities, but 'catch' it from others"

See, again, it's this sort of pontiified language that gets peoples goat. You are on mumsnet here, we know it's not good to put babies hands in mouths, you dont need to preach to those who know this stuff already. Yes, your mil is a bit twisted, but you come across too much the other way.

DameMargaretofChalfont · 24/08/2020 16:12

@Exilecardigan

I read that RIE link above. What a hilarious way to reinvent parenting. ‘Let child play by itself with non hazardous toys in a safe space while you cook or clean nearby’ ‘let child play in its own in a safe space’ ie put child in playpen for a bit while you make dinner. ‘Involve the child in its own care by saying I’m going to change your diaper now when bringing child to changing table’ ie talk to your baby during the day.

‘Be consistent in everything you do’ ie children like a routine - who knew!!!

Did you really need to follow and learn a parenting method to know something so basic @Rennlau I see they offer parenting classes too on the method. What a great way to make some easy money!!

I bloody wish MN had a LIKE button - If it did I'd be pressing it right now Smile
Flappingflamingo · 24/08/2020 16:13

Sorry I might be being dense but what is rie parenting????
My youngest is 10 but pretty sure I just parented 🙄

mbosnz · 24/08/2020 16:14

Oh give OP a break. She's a new mum, she's just trying to do her best. At least she cares enough to do some research.

Especially since she doesn't have her own Mum to ask.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 16:15

@ladycarlotta, thank you, some of the responses had me believing I was ridiculous and a bit of a shit mum - I don't think I'm the best at articulating myself and definitely presenting myself too earnestly.

OP posts:
hoistbymyownzombiepetard · 24/08/2020 16:16

babies are born without the bacteria that causes cavities, but 'catch' it from others,

um.........

You do know where your baby came out of don't you?

lemorella · 24/08/2020 16:17

[quote SurreyHillsGirl]@lemorella
Sorry you haven't had supportive responses on here...calling a poster bonkers isn't constructive or helpful in any way

Her behaviour IS bonkers though, and the MiL sounds utterly barking too. Both need to have a word with themselves.[/quote]

Then offer the OP some constructive and practical advice. Name call somewhere else. A new mum who has a young baby in a pandemic has asked the forum for feedback not to be called batshit and bonkers Hmm

updownroundandround · 24/08/2020 16:17

Sorry, I'm with the ''you're all batshit'' brigade Grin

I'd no clue what RIE parenting was, so looked it up Grin I've been laughing since I did.................(and NOT in a mean spirited way)

'' RIE (Resources for Infant Educarers). The “Educaring” approach believes parents and caretakers must have respect for infants and trust that they are natural inventors, explorers, and self-learners.''

I'm laughing because these little ''inventors, explorers and self- learners'' will drive you both crazy very soon ! Grin

Inventors - I read 'will rub Sudocream into your sofa and invent a new slide' Grin Or put a whole bottle of Fairy Liquid down the toilet.........and repeatedly flush to see the bubbles ! Grin

Explorers - I read ' will find a way to bolt away suddenly while shopping and hide very successfully beneath clothing racks, leaving you crying and distraught (until they jump up and shout BOO !) Or run off under low bushes in the park, making you scramble about like a madwoman, yelling 'come back !' Grin

Self- learners - I read 'insisting on using own spoon when eating yoghurt..........resulting in yoghurt on walls, roof, windows............ Or learning what happens if dog's water bowl is sucked dry with hoover attachment when 'helping' to hoover......it goes BANG.Grin Or learning that Mummy will slap their head when they use their first 4 teeth to clamp onto her clavicle bone when hugging................Grin

Just keep being loving parents, and don't sweat the small stuff. Smile

Allow your MIL to calm down, and in time, you'll all manage to find a 'happy medium' where you can all co-exist without too much disagreement. Remember, as much as YOU'RE learning to be parents, SHE'S learning to be a grandmother. Give it time to settle into your roles.

Penguinnn · 24/08/2020 16:18

In other words @Rennlau
OP: am I unreasonable?
Most posters: YES you sound OTT
OP: no I’m not flounces off

NoSquirrels · 24/08/2020 16:18

Baby being separated from mother overnight = not if mother is not comfortable with it.

Baby hands in other people's mouths = not if parents are not comfortable with it.

Baby being passed around to strangers = not if parents are not comfortable with it.

All goes for non-COVID times too.

However, don't dress it up in 'theories' or what have you. Just say, please don't do that/no thank you/give him back to me. Assert boundaries politely but firmly.

Equally, as your baby gets older, don't sweat the small stuff. Life is a tapestry of people who do things differently and you can't control it to the nth degree. You need to learn when it is OK to let go a little.

You're giving your MIL (and other posters here) a stick to beat you with if you bring out the 'We want to parent in X way' and then cite something like RIE or what have you. Most of parenting is commonsense - trust your instincts not a rule book.

Fluffycloudland77 · 24/08/2020 16:20

I think she sounds batshit & I’m not surprised her other dil isn’t talking to her.

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 16:21

I narrate what’s happening and how she’s acting/feeling and just offer a lot of acknowledgement.

This is from link above. How does telling a baby or toddler how they are feeling equate with autonomy. So if they are crying you get to tell them they are hungry when we all know that's a guess until they have the words. It's still all assumption at that age. What if they really cold or tired or bored?

CodenameVillanelle · 24/08/2020 16:21

What's RIE parenting? On the whole, I think it's best to avoid anything that calls itself a parenting method but I know it comforts some people.
YANBU about the overnight pressure and even about the hand in mouth. YANBU not to want people holding him because of Covid but if it's to respect his bodily autonomy then YABU because that's daft.

mumonthehill · 24/08/2020 16:21

With Ds 1 I remember hissing at my DM to not touch him because HE WAS IN A ROUTINE, I was quite honestly batshit! I took parenting far too seriously, I wish I had backed off a bit and let people enjoy my child. They loved him, wanted to show him love. With DC 2 I was super relaxed and let everyone hold him and delight in him.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2020 16:23

Talking of ‘personal space’ with regard to a 6m old baby is frankly ridiculous.
However I have to agree with you about the hand in her mouth thing - WTF? And as for these MiLs/DMs who start insisting so early - or at any time come to that - on having Gdcs overnight - they need to be told a big fat NO! - at least until you’re happy with the idea.

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2020 16:23

@Exilecardigan

I read that RIE link above. What a hilarious way to reinvent parenting. ‘Let child play by itself with non hazardous toys in a safe space while you cook or clean nearby’ ‘let child play in its own in a safe space’ ie put child in playpen for a bit while you make dinner. ‘Involve the child in its own care by saying I’m going to change your diaper now when bringing child to changing table’ ie talk to your baby during the day.

‘Be consistent in everything you do’ ie children like a routine - who knew!!!

Did you really need to follow and learn a parenting method to know something so basic @Rennlau I see they offer parenting classes too on the method. What a great way to make some easy money!!

Wow. I was an RIE parent.

And there was me just thinking I was a parent.

I chucked ds down to cook, clean, chill and called it bending neglect. Wink

MaryShelley1818 · 24/08/2020 16:24

You sound absolutely ridiculous...I'll be willing to bet you'll look back on this in a few years and be so embarrassed.

Clearly overnight stays are up to parents but do you need to follow a silly made up parenting style or can you not just use your common sense.
A baby thrives by being surrounded by people who love it, you're in danger of alienating some of those people by being so OTT. We took DS (9mths at the time) to Majorca and everyone loved him, the chef came out of the kitchen in one restaurant just to carry him about and play with him while we ate. DS beamed and smiled and laughed at her, as did she to him. He made friends with several waitresses too! It was lovely.

VettiyaIruken · 24/08/2020 16:24

Forget about the fact she's his grandma.
Is she a person who will enrich your child's life?

People get so hung up on the idea of family that they take all manner of absolute crap

Oh but I want my children to have grandparents.

Well yeah, good old granny baking cookies and loving everyone is a pretty picture but do you want the kids to have this specific person who acts in this way?

Their genetic relationship to you is meaningless. It is how they behave that should be the deciding factor.

Inaseagull · 24/08/2020 16:26

I will never understand why people want their child to foster a relationship with someone who is domineering and volatile. The Granny title doesn't cancel this out.

You don't sound bonkers to me, apart from the above.

derxa · 24/08/2020 16:26

@ladycarlotta, thank you, some of the responses had me believing I was ridiculous and a bit of a shit mum - I don't think I'm the best at articulating myself and definitely presenting myself too earnestly.
You're fine. Just don't let your MIL get under your skin. I think the problem is most of us have had babies and we all did our best for them. If you think RIE is the answer then carry on.

mbosnz · 24/08/2020 16:28

You're not a shit Mum, you're a new Mum, and you're doing your best according to your lights. And your best will be good enough. More than good enough!

vodkaredbullgirl · 24/08/2020 16:28

Bonkers

BluntAndToThePoint80 · 24/08/2020 16:30

To me, you sound totally OTT and very much suffering with PFB syndrome.

BUT I think this is getting the way of your more valid points.

Personally I’d be picking my battles and compromising if you want a relationship between your DS and his grandma - eg no overnight stays if he/you are uncomfortable, but perhaps loosen up in other areas.

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