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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

OP posts:
FlibbertyGiblets · 24/08/2020 15:54

No baby body parts in anybody's mouth shouldn't need to be a rule, but there you go.

Hold the line, OP, don't blink. MIL will acquiesce in which case, lovely - or she won't, in which case, lovely.

Good luck.

DameMargaretofChalfont · 24/08/2020 15:55

OP - you have a valid point about your MIL disrespecting your wishes BUT as soon as I read this:-
To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature

I felt I had to give you the sagest advice available on MN
GIVE YOUR HEAD A WOBBLE

Stand up for your son in regards to his hands being sucked and do not allow him to spend time away from you if that's your decision but FFS drop the personal space/autonomy advocacy!!

It's laughable - he's a baby and babies learn sociability by meeting and interacting with people!!!

You need to lighten up and live in the real world, your son will learn about personal space and autonomy in good time!!!

If you don't want people holding him JUST SAY NO without dressing it up in ridiculous jargon!!!!

LightDrizzle · 24/08/2020 15:56

I know! If my late mum or MIL had stuck DD’s hand in their mouths and sucked it, I’d have been totally WTF!? Confused.
Obviously the main concern is that the baby is likely to then put their fist in their own mouth, that being what they do, but also do they wash the baby’s hands after? Or do you get your baby back with someone else’s saliva all over their hand?
In what other scenario are we supposed to be okay with that? Licking other people’s cutlery handles? TV Remote?
But no, the OP is bonkers.

Orchidsindoors · 24/08/2020 15:57

"it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature"

This is where you come across a bit silly. Noone in real life talks like that and if they do theres lots of eye rolling been done by people around them.

perfumeistooexpensive · 24/08/2020 15:57

Have you explained RIE parenting to your MIL? It might help her to understand your boundaries better

I8toys · 24/08/2020 15:57

The hand in mouth thing is weird.

Let's face it I don't know how I would be having a baby with Covid around so I cannot judge you for not wanting people touching your baby at this time.

She needs to back off and let you have time adjusting to your baby. She can tantum all she wants. Your DH sounds like a lovely supportive partner.

derxa · 24/08/2020 15:57

www.healthline.com/health/parenting/rie-parenting#takeaway
I'm still none the wiser.

billy1966 · 24/08/2020 15:58

I must be very odd, but I wouldn't dream of putting a babies hand in my mouth and thank goodness no one ever did it to my babies.
Yuk.

I find the yelling at you both in front of the baby really bizarre and would take a huge step back.
I wouldn't have any faith in someone who starts screaming at another person, they certainly wouldn't be looking after my children.

As advised above, keep her away from your home, short visits at hers when things calm down.

The idea of anyone wanting your baby for an overnighter shortly after they were born and the feeling of entitlement to verbalise it, is just bonkers. Absolute bonkers.

For that alone I would be so wary of someone.

Grandparents a just great, but not if they are a source of stress and conflict and strife.

No one needs that.
Yelling in front of the baby...just awful.
Flowers

gutentag1 · 24/08/2020 15:59

She shouldn't be sucking your baby's hands, that's really weird especially when you've already told her.

I'd say let DH deal with her from now on. He can see her outside the house if he wants to, without the baby.

netflixismysidehustle · 24/08/2020 15:59

If she won't respect your wishes, what makes you think she will respect your child's (when he's old enough to express them)

You need to examine your idea that your child should have grandparents at any cost. Personally I chose for my kids to have none so the dysfunction and abuse ended with me. I have told them that they are free to contact my parents but they've chosen not to as they understand why I kept them away. Your MIL is not in the same category as my parents but what do you think your child thinks when he sees his gran and parents arguing?

ladycarlotta · 24/08/2020 15:59

@ExtremelyBoldSquirrels

There is something wrong with holding a baby in the midst of a pandemic. Social distancing is supposed to apply to anyone not in your household or bubble. Just because babies are cute doesn’t change that.

Asking someone in a shop if they want to hold a baby is a bit odd even without the pandemic. Especially when it’s not your baby in the first place. Why would you do that.

And it’s not bonkers to not let people put a baby’s hand in their mouth.

The MIL sounds like hard work. But it’s your DH that needs to deal with her, @Rennlau. He needs to make it clear that HE is telling her to respect your (plural, so encompassing HIS) boundaries.

totally this. Passing round a baby who isn't yours is a really weird thing to do! And particularly in the middle of a pandemic I wouldn't want my baby's hands in another person's mouth, that is not a god-given grandmotherly right.

OP, I do think it's every new parent's prerogative to be PFB, and I think it's admirable that you want to defend your child's right to bodily autonomy, even if it does come across as quite earnest and rubs some PPs up the wrong way. Doesn't matter. It's your baby and your rules, and actually it does lay good groundwork for the future.

MIL sounds bonkers.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:59

No, we don't (put his hand in our mouth), main reason being babies are born without the bacteria that causes cavities, but 'catch' it from others, it's gonna happen at one point I would just like to prevent it for as long as possible. Plus, he's teething, his hand is constantly in his own mouth - I don't want mine or anyone else's spit (unintentionally) in his mouth.

This is a small part of what is going on, it's been a bit relentless.

OP posts:
SurreyHillsGirl · 24/08/2020 15:59

@lemorella
Sorry you haven't had supportive responses on here...calling a poster bonkers isn't constructive or helpful in any way

Her behaviour IS bonkers though, and the MiL sounds utterly barking too. Both need to have a word with themselves.

Porcupineinwaiting · 24/08/2020 16:01

I think you all sound bananas

^^This. You complete one another.

Devlesko · 24/08/2020 16:01

Gosh pfb or what? loosen up.
Saying that, whatever your wishes are mil shouldn't undermine you.
I can understand why she wants an overnight stay, I'd love one with my gd whose nearly 2.
Other grandma the mums mum has had her right from the start. We've never been asked.
She'll come round, she's not going to miss out on her gc. Stick to your guns going forward, and you/oh being on the same page will be a huge help.

Thisismytimetoshine · 24/08/2020 16:01

Nuts. A confident and self assured 6 month old, eh? 😂

DopamineHits · 24/08/2020 16:02

If someone started a thread with "I offered a shop assistant the chance to hold my 6 month old baby and DH went mad at me because he says it's too risky in the middle of a pandemic, AIBU to think he's over-reacting?" they would get SHREDDED and you all know it... But because she said some wanky things like "I'm advocating for my baby" some of you want to make her feel like shit.

Flappingflamingo · 24/08/2020 16:05

I thought it was just me that thought it all sounded crackers!!

Venicelover · 24/08/2020 16:05

Chill out OP, people hold babies, they coo over them and touch them in non covid times. Now, not so much I suppose, but really, what a drama!

Personal space for a 6 month old? Really? From Granny? His only grandparent.

You sound like nightmare parents/in laws.

I do agree about the staying overnght issue though, I woudn't have wanted that at this stage, but everything else is way OTT.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 16:06

Sorry, for the confusion it's not her first grandchild, he is her third. She is currently not on speaking terms with her other DIL, but unsure of the reason why.

My first child.

OP posts:
SunshineCake · 24/08/2020 16:08

No child needs anyone in their life, blood or not, who causes them or their parents harm, upset, stress. End of.

Exilecardigan · 24/08/2020 16:09

I read that RIE link above. What a hilarious way to reinvent parenting. ‘Let child play by itself with non hazardous toys in a safe space while you cook or clean nearby’ ‘let child play in its own in a safe space’ ie put child in playpen for a bit while you make dinner.
‘Involve the child in its own care by saying I’m going to change your diaper now when bringing child to changing table’ ie talk to your baby during the day.

‘Be consistent in everything you do’ ie children like a routine - who knew!!!

Did you really need to follow and learn a parenting method to know something so basic @Rennlau I see they offer parenting classes too on the method. What a great way to make some easy money!!

Flynn2019 · 24/08/2020 16:10

I honestly think it is completely unfair of anyone to come on here and say you are bonkers. Do people not realise that everyone parents differently and want different things for their children?

I agree with OP around hands in mouth and overnights. If covid wasn't around I would be happy with my LO being passed about but that is me and not everyone feels the same.

As your LO gets older you might change you opinion on things, I know I have but that's your journey and no one should b o e here calling you bonkers for that.

One piece of advice though for OP pick your battles with MIL. If you 100% don't want her doing something make that clear in a conversation and don't make it a big deal. I have had my series of events with MIL including some falling outs so it's essential for there to be boundaries set as early as possible to avoid these x

JessCat75 · 24/08/2020 16:10

Sorry OP, you all sound bonkers and really hard work, keep your distance if you all get so wound up by each other!

justasking111 · 24/08/2020 16:11

As a grandma, never done the hand in the mouth thing with babies, gross, during covid lockdown did not even see the grand babies, toddlers, as for randoms holding babies no way. Only close family should be holding babies. The personal space autonomy is bonkers, which has harmed your case.

I would let her stew to be honest, I wish I had done with my mother. Yes she may bad mouth you to other family members you just have to live with that. Again mine did that. Make it clear she has to mind her manners around you. Having your baby over night, well why, it is a heck of a responsibility .

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