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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

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Perfectstorm12 · 25/08/2020 10:09

I would hazard a guess from what you have written that you're a caring Mum so he will be ok with you. You don't need intervention from ye gods, you just need to be present and loving with your child in the moment. Just try and notice when your anxiety is lurching into perfectionism and be more assertive around other people, he will flourish in unexpected ways as you relax about germs (although clearly we are currently in unprecedented times so some awareness of risk right now is appropriate) and tell your MIL to back (fuck) off. Good luck, there are many, many minefields of 'advice' loaded out to us parents so we need to learn to trust ourselves. A midwife said words to the affect to me when my PFB was born. It has taken me a while to really get what she meant.

DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 10:36

@Rennlau

Because it's been shown time and time again that parents who refuse to let their child be unhappy for the slightest moment raise anxious and depressed children.

It's ok for your baby to cry through one nappy change. He's not going to grow up scarred by it.

I honestly don't see why you posted since you are so convinced you're right.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 10:39

@Jellybeansincognito

Yeah and clearly many of us are abusive parents for not listening to our child not consenting to having a wash, their teeth brushed, getting dressed etc.

@despairingandunhappy

I did not say or insinuate it this at all.

To clarify, I don't think this. I think most parents are trying their best and we have to respect their choices when raising their children. MY parenting choices has nothing to do with making others feel inadequate or abusive (wtaf) however, you insinuating that this is my intent is you projecting and that is your own shit to work through. The only one of us two attempting to make anyone feel inadequate as a parent is you.

I know I'm trying my best, but I don't think what I am doing is the best.

Bit fucking "odd" that you think me teaching consent to my baby is about making other parents feel abusive rather than what it is - teaching my baby consent.

Why are you saying I get anxious when my baby cries? I've never said that I get anxious and I don't get anxious, so why are are you saying that? You doing this is reframing.

I don't "fear cortisol" you are literally making shit up.

I do not instantly pacify all my child's cries and I also don't use the cry it out method. RIE is about hearing and acknowledging your childs cries not fucking ignoring it like you are claiming.

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DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 10:39

"you seem very much the type of parent I hope to be when we have our baby."

Lol trust me when you gave the reality of an actual baby, you're not going to be like this or even want to be.

It is impossible to keep up this level of intensity and not even beneficial. Babies cry. It is normal and natural and they are not crying in the same way we cry. They're not sad or in pain every time - mostly it's them saying "hurry up" "feed me" or "change me".

All these parenting styles are a way of making anxious mummies buy books and nothing more.

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 10:44

I’m not trying to make you feel inadequate, I haven’t said anything about your parenting other than how you’ve weirdly compared your parenting technique and abuse.

And then, you’ve mentioned cortisol levels when talking about your baby crying.

Did you mention it as a positive? Of course you didn’t.

I’m not twisting your words op, your comments are here and anyone can read them.

Why did you bring up cortisol and abuse?

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 10:45

I really don’t know why you posted tbh op.

We’re you looking for an argument?

DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 10:50

@Jellybeansincognito

I'd say she was more looking for everyone to say her MIL is a witch and she's a perfect wonderful mum

OverTheRainbow88 · 25/08/2020 10:56

I agree with the idea of teaching consent from A young age, however, my 19 month old is going though a shouting NO phrase and shaking his finger at me..: to everything... even his favourite snack!🙄

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 10:56

Indeed @DancingCatGif These threads make me nervous for when my son has a child.

Can’t do right for wrong, this mil can’t even change a nappy right!
She’ll be breathing too much of the rooms oxygen soon.

RunningHoops · 25/08/2020 10:58

OP I think the reason people are saying you are batty is that they have not been brought up by people who totally ignore their boundaries. I think this is a normal response to your MIL who seemingly has ignored your husband's boundaries all his life.

Maybe some therapy or counselling for him and you too if you have a similar family - so that you can work through what he's been through. She sounds nasty and toxic. I'd be keeping a distance.

derxa · 25/08/2020 10:59

What happens when your child goes to nursery or school? The staff will be issuing instructions all day. What will happen then?

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 11:00

@VainAbigail

Op are you the person who recently posted about refusing to allow her mil to hold baby as she has history of cold sores?
No, this is my first post (hence the over share and error of mentioning consent and parenting style).

Tbh, I wouldn't mind, but that's me. I mean, as long as he consented... Grin

If someone kissed or attempted to kiss my baby with an active cold sore that would be a different story.

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PandaEyed13 · 25/08/2020 11:10

@Rennlau
Take a breath OP. You're upset and angry, understandable considering the tidal wave of opposing opinion to yours. But your recent posts are very language heavy and in my experience, when people fall down to the level of F'ing and blinding, they've lost the battle. What they are are trying to convey is suddenly lost and the swearing is all people will see, instead of coherent, considered articulation. Keep your head clear and keep it up because your son is loved, fed, warm, dry and wanted. Regardless of all the jargon, methods and parenting techniques, you're nailing the basics. So you're a great mum.

MotherofKitties · 25/08/2020 11:32

OP I just wanted to say I don't think you're being unreasonable here, and I think you're getting an unnecessarily hard time from other posters,

Wanting to have your newborn overnight is insane. The constant putting hand in mouth thing is weird and dangerous given Covid. Passing a baby around is also dangerous given Covid. But the repeated ignoring your wishes and requests is disrespectful, arrogant and a power play by your MIL. She deserved to be given a few home truths and ordered out of your house - I would have done the exact same thing to anyone who was repeatedly undermining me as a parent.

At the end of the day, this is your baby and what you says goes. If anyone doesn't like it you don't have to engage with them or have them in your life. Be clear, be firm, and be consistent. If your MIL continues to act in the same way you will have two options - continue this battle for the rest of her life, or cut her out. Good luck either way.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 11:33

@Jellybeansincognito

I’m not trying to make you feel inadequate, I haven’t said anything about your parenting other than how you’ve weirdly compared your parenting technique and abuse.

And then, you’ve mentioned cortisol levels when talking about your baby crying.

Did you mention it as a positive? Of course you didn’t.

I’m not twisting your words op, your comments are here and anyone can read them.

Why did you bring up cortisol and abuse?

lol, of course your not.

You're really attacking the straw man here.
I didn't mention cortisol in the context of fearing it and I did not say my MIL was abusing my baby, when explaining my rationale for teaching my baby consent, I mentioned that one of the longterm benefits is that it is thought to lessens their chances of become a victim of abuse. The fact that you are trying to reframe either one of those things in such a twisted way is not constructive and is unhealthy.

You have labelled me as having issues, it seems you do too. So I'm gonna practice those new found skills of making boundaries and not engage with you further.

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DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 11:38

" I mentioned that one of the longterm benefits is that it is thought to lessens their chances of become a victim of abuse"

Yes once the child is actually of an age where they can consent to things.

A six month old cannot.

And when they say "no you can't change my nappy/pick me up from this dangerous situation", aren't you teaching them a more fucked up lesson? That they have the illusion of consent but actually, it's sort of just bollocks?

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 11:41

Ok op.
Everyone else has issues here, not you though.

You inputted about cortisol in a negative way, it wasn’t necessary to even mention it but you did so it must worry you for it to be a negative to avoid it.

I never said you said your mil was abusing your baby, I did say comparing a parenting technique to being less abused was strange though.

I’m not reframing anything. It’s things you have said and clearly don’t understand yourself.

But if it’s easier to just keep thinking everyone else is wrong then go for it.

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 11:42

‘ You inputted about cortisol in a negative way, it wasn’t necessary to even mention it but you did so it must worry you for it to be a POSITIVE to avoid it.’

^^ oops.

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 11:46

Anyway good luck op.

Going round and round in circles when you’re the one who asked if you’re being unreasonable 😕

rainbowstardrops · 25/08/2020 11:48

I would have been angry at anyone putting my baby's hand in their mouth because it's pretty gross and unhygienic.

I wouldn't agree to an overnight sleepover at such a young age either unless I felt ok with it.

I probably wouldn't be too chuffed with a stranger holding my baby during a global pandemic either.

Having said that, you do sound as if you're quite anxious about 'doing the right thing' by your baby - which of course we all want to do - but I think you sound as if you're trying a bit too hard and taking the norms to extremes. I'd suggest relaxing a little and try not to get too caught up with the latest parenting fads.

You sound like you're a great mum and clearly have a different idea of parenting than your MIL does and I'd hazard a guess that she thinks you're being hard work but you don't want to cut off your nose to spite your face. If I was her, I'd think you were a bit OTT to be so obsessed with your child giving consent at such a young age and not crying during a nappy change. That's not going to scar him!

At the end of the day it's your baby and ultimately your rules but I'd be trying to get your point across without being preachy and try to find a happy middle ground.

Ponoka7 · 25/08/2020 11:57

Paediatrians issed a statement about Covid measures and they, like a lit of child development etc experts are saying that what we are implementing is more damaging than Covid, which poses, little if any risk.

Babies build immune systems by exposure. They can't consent, so we have to act in their best interests. It's good for babies to be passed around and later be put into situations that test them. It's how they build confidence, resilience (which I think is starting to lack among younger people) and feeds into cognitive functioning. The more they are exposed to the world, the better they are for it.

GhostCurry · 25/08/2020 14:25

“I agree with the idea of teaching consent from A young age, however, my 19 month old is going though a shouting NO phrase and shaking his finger at me..: to everything... even his favourite snack!🙄“

But that doesn’t happen to RIE children. Because you don’t say “NO” to them constantly. You speak respectfully to them and they are (in my experience) pretty respectful back.

People here are really quick to dismiss considered parenting styles as “too hard” or “bonkers”. I find it quite sad

DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 14:27

"But that doesn’t happen to RIE children. Because you don’t say “NO” to them constantly. You speak respectfully to them and they are (in my experience) pretty respectful back.

People here are really quick to dismiss considered parenting styles as “too hard” or “bonkers”. I find it quite sad"

I find it quite sad that you need to follow instructions to be a parent.

Thisismytimetoshine · 25/08/2020 16:21

@GhostCurry

“I agree with the idea of teaching consent from A young age, however, my 19 month old is going though a shouting NO phrase and shaking his finger at me..: to everything... even his favourite snack!🙄“

But that doesn’t happen to RIE children. Because you don’t say “NO” to them constantly. You speak respectfully to them and they are (in my experience) pretty respectful back.

People here are really quick to dismiss considered parenting styles as “too hard” or “bonkers”. I find it quite sad

Why do people think that anyone not adopting a parenting "style", (ie. one that some opportunist who may not even have children has written a book about 🙄) say No to their children constantly? 🤯 Or snarl intimidatingly rather than speak respectfully to them? Weird 🤣🤣🤣
GhostCurry · 25/08/2020 16:28

Carry on ladies, you’re really proving my point