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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

OP posts:
feistyoneyouare · 25/08/2020 00:09

Why are shop staff being asked if they want to hold a strangers baby?

They're female, ergo it's assumed they can't see a baby without wanting to hold it. I went through so much of this crap in workplaces, people bringing their babies in and it being assumed all the women would want 'a little hold'. I don't like holding babies and always declined politely, at which point people would look at me like I was a visitor from another planet. (I've wandered off-topic slightly because the thought of someone randomly being handed a baby to hold without being asked if they actually want to really grinds my gears. Not all women turn into a melting puddle of oestrogen whenever there happens to be a baby around.)

Nor can I imagine 'baby pass-the-parcel' is all that enjoyable for a baby - I'd have thought it would be quite overwhelming and possibly scary for them.

jacks11 · 25/08/2020 00:11

Your MIL clearly has issues- wanting a very young baby overnight, away from it’s parents is just odd. To keep on asking/demanding after being told no or ignored is overbearing in the extreme. The domineering/being rude is not on, nor is the fact she ignores your wishes (even if she thinks, as I do, that some of the things you’ve expressed are bonkers). It is unacceptable Of her to shout at you in your own home. You were right not to accept that behaviour.

However, I also think you have some odd ideas re your son which I think you may need to think through a little more clearly. You sound a bit OTT. Your 6 month old has no ability to “consent” to anything. It is not his wishes your MIL or anyone else should be respecting, nor is it his wishes you are upholding- they are your boundaries and your wishes (and it’s ok to have both of those things when it comes to your baby, and definitely ok to speak up if someone is ignoring them). I’m not saying you should allow anyone to hold your baby if you don’t want them to, but just be honest about the fact you’d rather other people don’t hold him.

It’s when people try to use what seem to be utterly fabricated reasons (such as “we are trying to respect his right to autonomy” or “you have not gained my 6 month old son’s informed consent to hold him, so I’m afraid that you can’t do so today”) that tends to cause problems because people feel there is actually a different reason for your reluctance (for instance, that it’s because you don’t like them or you’re doing it to make a point, or there is something “wrong/unacceptable” about them specifically and so on).

And let’s face it, it does sound a bit.... bonkers and pretentious, frankly.

Yeahnahmum · 25/08/2020 00:21

She sounds batshit.
Just be cold and hard to her re your son.
Shell get it soo enough
And i am the least overbearing mum but god passing a baby around is the worst. Its a baby, not a toy.
Good that your partner is in your side.

And next time she asks to have ds over for a sleepover SHUT IT DOWN DIRECTLY. Tell her this is not happening now or in the near future so she needs to stop asking.
Its sounds like me to a woman i wouldn't ever leave my kid with just because she would be all " ha. I can do whatever i want to do know that rennlau isnt here!!muhahah passes baby around to strangers sticks hand in mouth feeds baby adult food endless list goes on

alexdgr8 · 25/08/2020 00:23

unless you are expecting an inheritance from her, tell MIL to go take a jump.
and even if you are. it' s not worth it.
she is the problem, the disruptive influence, not you.
you have to stand up to her. you are making too many allowances.
protect your child from her baneful influence. i would go low contact, at least.
the way you are bringing up your child is just fine. stick to it.
the only thing you need to adjust is to protect him more assertively by keeping MIL at a distance.
don't try and explain everything to her. it's probably part of your style, to try to be ever so reasonable. i'm not saying be rude or aggressive.
just calm, matter of fact. don't allow her any control over you/child.

MadameMeursault · 25/08/2020 00:24

YANBU. That hand in mouth thing is revolting, it’s made me feel 🤢 and definitely no to over night stays and randoms holding the baby in the time of Covid. The consent thing as a reason is a bit bonkers though! Just give Covid as a reason.

Yeahnahmum · 25/08/2020 00:26

Also. Stick with your consent. It is super important op.
My youngest is a toddler and i always ask him if he wants a kiss before bed time. I never just do give him a kiss. Sometimes he says yes and sometimes no. Same goes for family when they come over and ask " come give us a kiss " . Ill shut it down immediately and tell dc they can choose whatever they want 'handshake, wave, verbal hello, cuddle, kiss.' Whatever they feel comfortable with. Not because they are forced or guilttripped into something.

BeingLonely · 25/08/2020 00:35

I think you’ve been given a rough start on here OP

It’s hard being a first time mum, almost everyone is crazy and have their own ‘parenting’ ideas. I didn’t realise how daft I must have been until I saw my sisters rules for her first born 😂

If you don’t like people holding your baby that’s understandable but please don’t use the his space excuse. Your still doing a great job even with a crazy MIL Flowers

PandaEyed13 · 25/08/2020 02:03

@Rennlau

You've taken quite a pasting on this thread! Bit harsh, but I did find some things in your OP daft! I won't bother saying which parts because everyone else already has!

So I hate my MIL too. God what a bitch. I dislike her on a personal level, not just in a grandparents sense and she isn't keen on me either. She's the type of cow who buys you a £2.50 pack of bath salts with the price still on for Christmas after you got her earrings, claiming to be hard up. Then tags herself on facebook in a luxury spa resort 3 days later. Urgh! Everything about her boils my piss! I could go on all day.

However, my 3 year old loves her. She did all the same things as your MIL, she pestered for overnights, she 'hogged' him so to speak whenever she was round or we went to hers, she seemed to have absolutely no respect for me as his mother whatsoever. She would steal my digital content, as in - she would copy and paste my family pics from my Facebook page that I had posted - crop me out of it - then re-post it on her own page with just my OH and DS in it, captioned "my lovely son and grandson!" I couldn't bear being around her and my OH doesn't have the closest relationship with her either, but he didn't want to cut her out entirely.

So we came to the arrangement that from the age of 18 months, she takes him on a Saturday afternoon for a few hours every fortnight. To the park, to the soft play, to her house, to McDonald's - I don't always know, I don't always care. Fortnightly is an amount of time that is far enough apart for whatever she thinks or believes not to rub off on him. However much I dislike her, I do trust that she loves him and she'll keep him safe and out of harms way. I never have to see her, bonus! And I look at it for what it is, it's a few hours peace a fortnight to do something I want to do, or get some me time or for me and OH to spend some couples time together. Never overnight though! He's 3 now and hasn't stayed over. I think it suits us all that way, including her.

Maybe an arrangement like that might be more up your street in a couple of years time? Just be wary of burning bridges with people, no matter how much of a tit they might be to you personally. An early poster made a comment of "it takes a village" and that is a very good point. You will find yourself at some point down the line where you'll need as many helping hands as you can get. You may have work and nursery calls saying he's vomming everywhere and you need to get him right now! You may be dying of unholy vomiting and diarrhoea yourself some day and can't physically hold him and hubby can't get out of work to take him to preschool, so you have to drag your carcass out, throw up in a 10p bag of life in the car and shit your pants on the way back home! (This actually happened to me!) You might just simply be babied out in a years time and be desperately craving for well earned, rightfully craved you time. Or date night! It does help to have people in your arsenal, hence why I grit my teeth and fake smile through a few seconds of handing him over at the front door once a fortnight!

notangelinajolie · 25/08/2020 02:15

Not a fan of the hands in mouth thing.

But I do think you should ease up on the PFB stuff though.

Overall it's a YABU from me.

seayork2020 · 25/08/2020 02:56

So your problem is you 'own' your baby but you don't want her to 'own' your baby

you mention consent but your baby may want to be held by others

I think you need to calm down and realise a baby is a person and not a possession - sure she sounds a bit OTT but not as much as you are coming across

seayork2020 · 25/08/2020 02:58

Oh as for sleep overs I encouraged them, saved my sanity and my son got to be spoilt by his grandparents

DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 03:05

I was nodding along until I reached the examples and then I just started feeling sorry for her.

You are going to end up raising a very anxious child if you don't chill significantly. Consent is great. A 6 month old, however, has no concept of it. If you wait for them to hold their arms out for every person, you will be waiting a long time. What about when you ask consent to change his nappy and he says no? Are you going to let him wonder about with a dirty nappy?

She should shut up about asking to have him overnight. And she should probably keep his hands out of her mouth if you don't like it. But honestly, doesn't he spend most of his day crawling about on the floor which I assume is not 100% sterile at all times?

My MIL is pushy as well. Maybe you just haven't picked good examples but if that is all she does, you should thank your lucky stars.

DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 03:08

"We were advised not to use a dummy because of potential teeth and speech issues. The amount of people that didn't respect that we weren't using a dummy was incredible."

"Respect that we weren't using a dummy" - do you hear yourself? Really? Do you honestly want people to respect that you're not using a dummy. Just say thanks and don't use it or take it off them.

What is the need for all this drama?

CSIblonde · 25/08/2020 04:20

Setting one boundary at a time as they're crossed is a mistake in any relationship. Boundaries are set at the start. Then everyone's on the same page.The tantrums she has should be ignored. You all meet somewhere neutral and start again. If she's not happy ,her problem.

OverTheRainbow88 · 25/08/2020 06:42

1 in 20 kids are abused in the UK...

Where has this statistic come from?

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 07:25

You said you feel like an inadequate parent because your child cried during a nappy change with someone else.

That’s waaaay OTT.
It seems you’re desperate to not allow your baby to cry.
Crying is the way babies communicate and the author of this parenting method you’re following even supports allowing babies to cry and not feeling negative about it

Then there’s you bringing in child abuse to this?

It’s a bit odd, op.

Moondust001 · 25/08/2020 07:34

I'd have to say that I fall into the "you all sound like hard work" camp. But I look forward in anticipation to the "MIL won't look after my child for me and I think I'm entitled to free childcare" thread.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 08:24

@Jellybeansincognito lol.

Seems like your desperate to wilfully misconstrue whatever I say to fit your narrative.

My baby cries, I don't feel negative or inadequate by it.

I described how I felt during one instance.

When babies cry it's typical for them to be soothed.

I didn't refer to MIL abusing my child in anyway more than fucking odd that your trying to insinuate that I did.

You seem desperate and almost desperate to reframe this into something it's definitely not. That's waaay OTT.

OP posts:
Rennlau · 25/08/2020 08:27

@OverTheRainbow88 nspcc.org

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VainAbigail · 25/08/2020 08:35

Op are you the person who recently posted about refusing to allow her mil to hold baby as she has history of cold sores?

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 08:44

Not really op. It’s what you said, don’t take your denial out on me.

There’s loads of parents who have also said the same here, but harsher.
I’m saying you need to address your very clear issues because they’re not healthy for you or your child

However you want to sugar coat it op
Saying this ‘she put him across her lap, tried to be super speedy without saying a word him and he was hysterical, we didn't stop it and it's the most inadequate I have ever felt as a mum’
Its not a healthy reaction at all and does scream that you’re being too precious, it won’t do you or your child any favours.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 08:53

@DancingCatGif I mean, yeah I hear myself.

And the quote about the dummy, that wasn't me that said that.

In regards to teaching babies consent by respecting their personal, I disagree with you, but that's sound. We all do what works for us.

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mumtobabygilrl · 25/08/2020 09:00

Totally agree that she shouldn't put his hand in her mouth and she should respect that. You do need to assert yourselves here as she sounds like someone who will push boundaries
In terms of others holding him it is your wishes that should be respected. Personally I wouldn't have had a problem with it - but with your MIL I would have had an issue with her suggesting it - sounds like she's bossy and takes the reins too much. You will have your work cut out with this one - lay down the law now or you will regret it!

DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 09:01

@Rennlau I wasn't directing it at you.

I don't think you'll find many people who think consent is a bad thing. But you're going to have a rude awakening when you realise no one can follow all of your rules and has no interest in taking care of your child.

The idea of granting bodily consent to a 6 month old is ridiculous. They are barely aware that they are a separate entity. Of COURSE if the baby is wailing in someone else's arms, it's fine to take them back. But suggesting that they don't want someone else to hold them because they don't reach out to them is nuts. In fact, I'd say it's far more damaging for them to be so dependent on you than for them to be loved and held by many people.

despairingandunhappy · 25/08/2020 09:05

After reading this I do feel sorry for your MIL. nothing she seems to do is right. She changed his nappy quick and he cried? that’s what most babies do because they don’t consent to a nappy change, so do we let them walk round filthy? No.

You really do need to chill out, your son is gonna end up so anxious here. DS is 8 months old and has never once held up his arms to be picked up, so by this logic I should leave him on the floor at all times