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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

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DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 09:09

"All the people calling you 'bonkers' - did they have their first child during a pandemic?!"

I did. My baby is about the same age as OP's. People probably think I'm crazy for not going out much with him and I'm ok with that.

But I'm not asking him whether it's ok for my MIL to hold him or not. Frankly anyone who wants to hold him at this point is welcome to him.

I don't follow some made up, nonsense "parenting style". I just do what seems right and so far he seems happy. If he cries during nappy changes, I ask for his consent to give him a bpok or toy and he says yes and is then fine.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 09:09

@Jellybeansincognito what issues are you referring to?

I didn't say I felt inadequate because he cried, I said I felt inadequate because I wanted to step in but didn't as I put an adults feeling before my son's. I'm not in denial, you're intentionally reframing it to suit your narrative.

If my biggest issue is being able to change my baby's nappy without him crying, I think we/he will be more than okay, at the very least we're managing to avoid a cortisol spike and that can only be a good thing.

If all of the above makes me precious so be it. Ironically my MIL calls my ds precious as a term of endearment so it can't be that bad to be a bit precious.

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Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 09:11

Yeah and clearly many of us are abusive parents for not listening to our child not consenting to having a wash, their teeth brushed, getting dressed etc.

@despairingandunhappy

SoloMummy · 25/08/2020 09:14

@Rennlau

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

Wow you're so ott. Why on earth you haven't just addressed matters calmly rather than blowing everything out of proportion?

Let alone all of the crap about advocating and personal space for a 6m baby!

Get a grip.

Mother. And apologise for being aggressive in handling of the situation. Explain why you have issues with the hand mouth thing.

Sort yourself out. If for no other reason than you don't realise how soon you will need this only family you have!

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 09:14

‘I didn't say I felt inadequate because he cried, I said I felt inadequate because I wanted to step in but didn't as I put an adults feeling before my son's. I'm not in denial, you're intentionally reframing it to suit your narrative.‘

I’m really not, you’re not understanding that it’s not healthy to be this intense about your babies crying and your cortisol comment just proves that even more.

Zippy1510 · 25/08/2020 09:14

I wouldn’t want anyone putting my babies hand in their mouth during a respiratory pathogen pandemic. But the bit about the cavity causing bacteria is over the top. By the time teeth are coming through you’ll see vertical transmission from mother to baby anyway unless you’ve been holding your breath and clamping your mouth shut every time you hold you child.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 09:16

@DancingCatGif it works for us, not sure how you think it will damage him, but whatever.

We can agree to disagree.

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Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 09:17

Nor is it healthy to feel like you need to step in just because your child is crying during their nappy change.

Your baby was safe, and fine. Crying is communication and it’s normal. It’s not going to give him brain damage...

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 09:22

Also, one thing you haven’t considered is how many of us in this thread will have felt the same as you do right now, but with parenting experience and further children you do go on to realise how it did you no favours.

Your husband was brought up by this women you’re discussing, she obviously did something right.

Nottherealslimshady · 25/08/2020 09:23

I think it sounds like you're doing a great job and you seem very much the type of parent I hope to be when we have our baby.
You just need to stay confident in yourself and not let people steamroll you. A lot of people have the mentality that adults can do what they want with children, I think it's good you're starting early teaching your child and those around him that he has autonomy. If a child doesn't want to be held by someone then there's no reason for them to hold him.
I can imagine myself in the nappy changing situation and it would stay with me, but you need to forgive yourself, he wont remember it, just remember to do what you think is right the next time. Dont worry about what mistakes you might have made, just do the next right thing. And hold your boundaries firm.

malificent7 · 25/08/2020 09:30

I never put my baby's hand in my mouth....am i missing something?! In covid times too! Yanbu...she is batshit..

MNX42 · 25/08/2020 09:31

You are not unreasonable at all for not wanting people who are not part of your household to put your baby's hand in their mouth! My first grandchild is due soon and I'll be thrilled if I'm even allowed to hold her, let alone suck her hands. Neither are you unreasonable for not wanting your baby away from you overnight. I don't understand how this has become such a thing with grandmothers that I read about on MN. If you and your partner would like an overnight break, fair enough, but where do they get off demanding alone time and overnights with YOUR child? And as for passing your baby around, during a pandemic, just no! I'm really surprised at the pasting you've been given here. I'm not surprised your mil is no contact with her other daughter in law, she sounds awful.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 09:32

@Jellybeansincognito claiming I said I felt uncomfortable simply because my baby cried when that isn't what I said, is reframing it to suit your narrative.

In what way am I intense about my baby's crying and how does what I stated about cortisol prove this?

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Perfectstorm12 · 25/08/2020 09:35

I find it quite sobering and grounding to remember that I am going to mess my kids up. There is no 'perfect' parent, we are all just stumbling around with what we know trying to manage and do the best we can. Stop following any methods and just love your child and learn to be more assertive. Drop all this language about consent..you sound like Gwyneth Paltrow. And just learn to lighten up and enjoy this lovely, precious time. If your MIL is being a pain then don't see her as much and snort when she talks about having your baby for a night and say 'of course not yet!' so the message is clear.

Perfectstorm12 · 25/08/2020 09:35

By the way, I have nothing against Gwyneth.

Figgygal · 25/08/2020 09:36

Totally agree on the hand in mouth thing, agree on being careful with Covid but the rest of it you sound exhausting

And I cannot believe you do struggle to assert yourself based on how you’ve responded here

As per pp just tell her no and without lengthy debate and explanation as yes that does scream I’m right your wrong and I’ll tell you why until you agree with me

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 09:38

@MNX42 you are the MIL of my dreams!!

Congratulations on the impending baby arrival and becoming a grandmother!

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Rennlau · 25/08/2020 09:44

@Jellybeansincognito just because it's normal by your estimate doesn't make it so. It's a 'normal' mothering instinct to want to soothe your crying baby.

My partner was raised by MIL's parents from the age of 4.

Thanks for your input, we clearly have differing views on parenting.

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Exilecardigan · 25/08/2020 09:44

@Rennlau cortisol spike 😂😂 lets be honest op. You say it’s your baby consenting or not to being held but in reality he can’t consent instead you are inferring that he has consented ergo imposing your own views on him. That’s the reality.

In all honesty I would be worried about a little baby having to hold his arms out to be held. I’ve never seen this with a young baby. Almost like he is crying out for attention and only gets it when he performs for you by putting his arms out.

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 09:46

You feel the need to step in when your baby isn’t in danger or in pain.

Babies cry, this fear of yours about cortisol is just too much.

Feeling inadequate because you didn’t step in when your baby was crying during someone else doing a nappy change is too intense.

How am I reframing to suit my own narrative? Feel free to copy and paste your own words and how I am reframing.

winterisstillcoming · 25/08/2020 09:47

She's met her match I guess. Concentrate on how much you all love your son. A conversation that you love him, we love him but just do as you're told. Maybe direct her to gransnet or something?

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 09:48

You clearly have different parenting views to the author of this parenting method you are following too as she also advocates not being so anxious over babies crying.

Jellybeansincognito · 25/08/2020 09:50

‘ Jellybeansincognito just because it's normal by your estimate doesn't make it so. It's a 'normal' mothering instinct to want to soothe your crying baby’

You’re right, it is normal. But it’s one of the first challenges of parenting where you have to rationalise that crying is just communication and as long as their care needs are being met and they’re not in pain or danger that it’s fine.

I am struggling to comment today for some reason so I’m going to leave it at that.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 25/08/2020 09:51

[quote Rennlau]@Jellybeansincognito claiming I said I felt uncomfortable simply because my baby cried when that isn't what I said, is reframing it to suit your narrative.

In what way am I intense about my baby's crying and how does what I stated about cortisol prove this?[/quote]
I'm not going to lie, my oldest is nearly 15 and I still feel uncomfortable when children cry around me. Not in a dramatic way, it just makes me sad that they're unhappy/sad/whatever. It's probably instinct - but when the DC were younger I wasn't the type who could listen to them cry and not feel anything (which I think it what OP is saying) so I get where that's coming from and really don't think it's a big deal.

The difficulty with overbearing people is that everyone just accommodates them to make life easier; you just smile and nod and eventually reach the point where you have to take a stand. The overnight thing is madness; I've had two DC and although they adore their Grandparents I'd have laughed in their faces if they'd suggested they have them overnight when they were tiny because there was just no need.

You're being a little PFB OP but in all honesty, that's ok. Your MIL clearly has some aggression issues, yelling at you in front of your DC, and if she wants to take her arse in her hands and be mardy, let her. When she calms down and is ready to speak like an adult, have an adult conversation with her and explain that you won't tolerate yelling around your DC, and that now she's clear on your expectations you need her to respect them. If she can't, she will be the one choosing to walk away from her Grandchild.

Rennlau · 25/08/2020 09:53

@Perfectstorm12 hahaha, don't you know Gwyneth is incredibly close to the common mother being that she is both a woman and mother... jokes.

Thank you though, totally sage advice.

Definitely keeping in mind that no matter what I do I'll mess him up somehow, just praying to all the gods I don't irreparably fuck him right up.

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