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MIL feels attacked

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 15:11

My OH and I are in a bit of predicament with my OH's mum/my MIL.

I could go on and on in regard to backstory, but I'll try and keep it brief and then on to the most recent issues.

Our DS is 6m old, he is our first and was born 6 weeks before lockdown, we have been getting pressured by MIL since I was a few days postpartum to have him overnight, this has not and will not be happening anytime soon, covid or not, but I was pretty distressed by her doing this when I had only had him days earlier and was just getting to know him aswell as myself in my new role as a mother ~BUT~ I did not assert myself and just kinda white-noised her then cried once she had left. She has not let the issue of having DS overnight or on her own (what is the obsession of separating mother from child?) even though this isn't an option due to covid and also neither my ds or I are ready for that. She is also pretty relentless telling us what to do and trying to get us to raise our DS the way she did my OH again white-noise, smile and nod. My partner and I are very much on the same page and have been trying to be as diplomatic as possible whilst walking on eggshells so as not to rock the boat - his parents are the only grandparents and we have both not wanted to do anything that could result in our son being isolated from them, but his mum is incredibly domineering and can be volatile.

In regard to lockdown it actually done my partner and I a world of good in the sense of allowing us some distance, relieving us of MIL pressure. We have become a pretty solid and harmonious family unit and have really got to find our feet as parents, we know how we wish to raise our son and even though he is a lockdown baby he is a pretty self assured and confident baby.

As lockdown rules have began to ease, my MIL has been able to now visit our DS and to hold him (she requested to see him in person countless times during lockdown, but had not been socially distancing so we did not want to risk it) and this is where things have went awry. She put my child's hand in her mouth, like full on in her mouth. It was just her and I in the room when she done it the first time, I was totally aghast and taken disgusted, regardless if there was a pandemic going on or not, I am not okay with her doing this. I have struggled to assert myself with MIL, but thankfully in this instance my motherly instincts took over and I told her to stop and I then took DS to washed his hands, I thought that would be that. It wasn't she has done it a further three times, the second time was the next time she visited and she done it when I left the room in front of my OH who had the same reaction as had previously. The final time she did it we were in her shop and in front of one of her employees, I instinctively said no hands in mouths and my partner took DS away to wash his hands. This was also the same day she allowed said employee to touch my DS's face and then asked if she would like to hold my son!! Again, my partner was not present (in bathroom) and I had to pipe up and say no, my MIL then started laughing. To clarify, covid is not the sole reason I am uncomfortable with having my son passed around. My oh and I both feel it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature, but I didn't feel that that was the time or place to get into it, however we have tried to be as informative as possible prior to this instance (whilst walking on eggshells) about our parenting style/choices while giving some grace for people (MIL) to acclimate, she has ignored everything to date.

After the last incident, my partner I decided our eggshell tactic was not working and we had to advocate for DS and set some clear boundaries. We decided to start with one boundary at a time and address what happened with DS's personal space, then if/when she oversteps other boundaries in the future clearly address it then and there rather than rehash/bring up everything in a one(y). I should probably note my MIL has zero regard for anyone's boundaries and it's something my OH has struggled with inti adulthood.

MIL visited us last Sunday and nearing the end of the visit we brought up what happened when I stopped her employee from holding my son, we explained it was not covid alone that prevented this from happening that we were not okay with our DS being passed around in any circumstances and tried to explain why, we were sensitive about our wording to make sure she did not feel attacked. To put it simply she went off her head. She began by being very patronising, tried to turn it around on me (just me) and then began yelling (at me) but I'm front of DS (OH and I have never yelled in front of him) so I finally asserted myself and told her to either stop yelling in front of my child or she had leave my home, my partner also stepped in and she left, yelling as she went.

She messaged my partner a couple of days later saying I attacked her, he defended me, reiterating the situation and I think gave her some home truths which probably didn't help, but on the other hand was probably needed. We have heard nothing since and honestly I have no desire to see or speak to her, but worry I am doing a disservice to my son, but don't know what to do if she won't respect us or our wishes as his parents, I fell that would be a bigger disservice to DS? I also have zero desire to come between my partner and his mother and I have told him that.

The worst part is, if she has an issue with us, which now does then she will go out her way for the full family to also have an issue.

I really don't know what to do going forward.

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winterchills · 24/08/2020 20:07

I understand the overnight thing but the rest is absolutely bonkers and I really feel like you sound like a control freak. She sounds like she is a proud grandma and your constantly telling her off whatever she does. People hold babies it's normal. I would understand not at the moment whilst COVID is going on but to respect his autonomy😂🙄you sound bay shit crazy and I actually feel sorry for ur mother in law.

Alwaysinpain · 24/08/2020 20:10

[quote Rennlau]@lunar1 'generally' you should be able to read your baby's cues without them having to resort to crying to let you know they're upset.

Maybe it's you who is conditioning your baby by not respecting their autonomy (too small a person to be an actual person, logic) getting them to behave like a little performing monkey that is there to be passed around and held by anyone, I mean until they cry that is.[/quote]
Bang out of order. You really are brainwashed by this RIE cult aren't you?!

Anordinarymum · 24/08/2020 20:13

I do not think it is very helpful calling OP bonkers, but I do think OP should RELAX a bit

Mysha · 24/08/2020 20:14

We’ve been very anti ‘pass the baby’ and have been hated by in-laws because of it. We don’t follow any parenting theory, we just both felt very strongly that having our baby passed around numerous relatives in quick succession as some ‘tick box’ exercise for grown-ups wasn’t in our baby’s best interests. Perfectly happy for someone to calmly hold/engage with her - less happy to have baby possessively waltzed out of the room while screaming for ‘mummy’.

It makes me smile reading all these condescending PP responses saying ‘wait until they’re a toddler/wait until you have a 2nd child etc’. Our daughter is a toddler and I can assure you we haven’t slacked on our resolve to advocate for her. Baby no. 2 is on the way and I certainly won’t hold different standards for them. You behave in a calm and respectful way around my child - you get to hold and engage with them. If you behave like a frantic loon with a shiny Christmas toy you won’t be seeing much of us.

MIL sounds problematic OP. Don’t doubt your instincts and be wary of people that make your confidence as a new mum wobble. They’re only looking out for themselves, not you or your child.

Crazycatlady83 · 24/08/2020 20:16

I don’t think you sound crazy at all. There is nothing wrong with asserting boundaries in parenting. I think we start off with the grandparents and this is good practice for boundary setting for children Grin

In the case of my MIL it took a lot of time to adjust to the fact they weren’t “the parents”, didnt get to “make the rules” and have to listen to their children asserting themselves.

You make an interesting point about passing your baby around, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. My DS is 5 and has ASD & sensory issues (obviously not the same) but from a very very early age it was clear he did not like being touched by others, kisses cuddles. He tries very hard to “fit in” so would if pushed or he thought it was socially required. I absolutely didn’t want to push him at all and will often say “no we high five instead”. My MIL is forever saying “but all I want is a kiss” from DS even though we tried to explain to her he didn’t want to kiss her or have a cuddle. His sensory issues mean he may even feel discomfort or pain when someone touches him. She couldn’t (and I think still doesn’t) accept this and the kiss/cuddles are solely for her benefit not his.

Keep doing what you are doing if it is working for you! Your baby your rules!

SomewhereInbetween1 · 24/08/2020 20:21

To be honest, I think what you're doing sounds perfect. There is no harm in teaching a child from a young age that it's their body, their choice. I used to hate being forced to give adults a hug when I was little and I certainly won't be forcing my children to do so. Your MIL is batshit, you sound like a great mum and I think you're 100% in the right here.

MsEllany · 24/08/2020 20:22

@AlternateName

YANBU about hands in mouth and DS not going away from you overnight but this

it's important to respect his personal space/autonomy and to teach consent as second nature

is PFB madness. He is 6 months old! Babies and toddlers neither understand nor want personal space. Are you going to "respect his personal space/autonomy" when he's 2 or 3 years old and tries to run into the road?

^^ this says everything I want to really.

Oh, YANBU about sleepovers with granny.

northprincess · 24/08/2020 20:33

It's not her baby to hand round! And hand in her mouth - absolutely yuk! I don't think you're bonkers at all! Your baby your rules!

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 20:49

@Alwaysinpain sure thing Dr Phil, teaching your kid that they have to be okay/consent to being held by any Tom, Dick or Harry regardless of how they feel will do them a world of good. I mean he only a person, but a wer person so feelings don't count, eh.

Big bad 'rona? She's just a pussycat of a pandemic, now hold my baby who cares if you've washed your hands, practised social distancing or if I even know your name, it's just the fruit of my womb at risk, no worries

You're right my bounderies will definitely be the undoing of him.

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 21:10

@Jellybeansincognitoi all due respect, I disagree with you wholeheartedly.

FYI, I didn't feel inadequate because he cried I felt inadequate because it was unnecessary and I should have stopped it, but didn't to prevent offending someone.

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MyShinyWhiteTeeth · 24/08/2020 21:16

It's about respecting the parents choices and not being judgemental about different parenting styles.

We were advised not to use a dummy because of potential teeth and speech issues. The amount of people that didn't respect that we weren't using a dummy was incredible.

We actually had one parental set buying dummies and using them even though the teeth and speech issues were prevalent from that side of the family. Our child just kept spitting it out and wasn't happy when they kept ramming it in her mouth.

Exilecardigan · 24/08/2020 21:46

@Rennlau “ Rennlau
@lunar1 'generally' you should be able to read your baby's cues without them having to resort to crying to let you know they're upset.

Maybe it's you who is conditioning your baby by not respecting their autonomy (too small a person to be an actual person, logic) getting them to behave like a little performing monkey that is there to be passed around and held by anyone, I mean until they cry that is.”

Err you do know your baby can’t actually understand what the hell is going on when he doesn’t hold out his arms and you ‘explain’ (hilarious) that you’re going to pick him up. Or along with having a super able to give consent baby do you think your 6 month old understands what the action of ‘picking him up’ is??

I held my best friends baby the other day. She said to me would you like to hold him and I said yes if you’re ok with it. We didn’t ask the baby or get him to sign a consent form. He seemed pretty happy to be held by me but I must tell her her child is a ‘performing monkey’ for being held by someone without giving his express permission or being told in detailed conversation exactly what is going to happen.

Do you use big words or little words when asking your sons consent to hold him? I mean he doesn’t understand any of them but just to try help my friend help her ‘performing monkey’ child to see how it’s supposed to be done.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 21:57

@Quacks2020 it's so rough isn't it? I really struggle with asserting myself and I think she kind of took liberties with it, I was so passive during my pregnancy and at the beginning of motherhood, but it just made it 100 x worse, she even told me the first time she came to visit after the birth that she had a wardrobe for him to wear when he was at hers Hmm (she hates the clothes we dress him in, lol). I honestly think she thought I was gonna birth him and hand him over.

Sorry you're going through a similar situation and props to you for not rising. Bloody outrageous that your MIL is going out of her way to upset you, does she not realise this hurts your baby too? Incredibly selfish. Best of luck facing it and I hope it has a more positive outcome than my current situation.

With my MIL in the beginning my partner and I thought it was just a lot of love and excitement about baby that made it hard for her to respect us, but it became clear she was doing things that weren't for anyone's benefit but her own even if it ended up being detrimental to baby, made it easier to be brave.

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Rennlau · 24/08/2020 22:16

@MyShinyWhiteTeeth I had no idea I was being so controversial mentioning my parenting style Confused lesson learned.

I agree with the dummies, we also got loads bought by family members and asked quite a few time in the beginning if we had tried the baby with a dummy yet. My partner's aunt attempted giving him one, but he spat it out and she left it be after that.

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Jellybeansincognito · 24/08/2020 22:40

He cried during a nappy change- why on earth is it that big of a deal?

Where are you going to draw the line op?

Jellybeansincognito · 24/08/2020 22:44

You want your child to be comfortable with others- yet you’re trying to micro manage situations in which his care needs are being met with someone else.

You’re his mum, not everyone will treat him the same way as you and it’s ok for him to learn this as long as he is safe, loved and secure.

Your mil sounds really full on, but she’s just trying to love her grandchild.

WiltedWillows · 24/08/2020 22:51

I think your being a tad precious, relax OP, seriously !

WhoKnew19 · 24/08/2020 23:06

YADNBU - your baby, your rules. Trust your gut on what is right for your baby.

missatrick · 24/08/2020 23:22

RIE parenting. That's a new one to me. Mind you, my kids are a bit older now.. I grew up with Gina, Baby whisperer, attachment parenting, Baby lead weaning and that elimination thingy for poos.
Love all these trends/theories/whatever they are. Twelve years and four kids later I can't actually remember if I ever labelled my parenting style, but I think they've turned out ok.
But I digress. Your child has only one granny. She's not seen her grandchild much due to lockdown. Let her have a cuddle, then make your excuses and go back to your RIE eliminationthingygunmy.
Oh, but you need to be firm and insist on no sleepovers just yet.
By child number 4 you'll be desperate for someone. Anyone. To take your kids for a night.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 23:40

@Jellybeansincognito Who said my child is uncomfortable with others?

I micromanaged by standing by in that instance and by doing nothing? And, btw if I did step in like I should have in that moment that wouldn't be micromanaging either, that would have been advocating for my baby. What is the weird obsession with people wanting to change babies nappies when the parents are there to do it?

Let me clarify, my child doesn't cry during nappy changes nevermind cry hysterically hence why it was upsetting. This might be normal for you, but not for us. Babies don't typically cry for no reason.

Having bounderies does not equate to stopping MIL from loving her grandchild, you insinuating that it does is weird.

Clearly, I draw the line when a woman loses her shit and starts yelling in my home in front of my child.

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Comtesse · 24/08/2020 23:40

Yanbu. Overnights? No way. Baby’s hand in her mouth? Not great especially if you’ve asked her not to. Wanting random people to hold baby? I’m no germ freak but given Covid, wanting to avoid that right now sounds just fine to me. Don’t agree at all that this is “bonkers” behaviour.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 23:43

@missatrick cuddling isn't nor has ever been an issue.

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peachgreen · 24/08/2020 23:49

@rvby I know it wasn't aimed at me but your post is the best advice I've ever read I think, and I'm going to take it on board with my own boundary-crossing mum. Thank you!

peachgreen · 24/08/2020 23:51

OP: just to clarify, when I said your MIL should respect your boundaries even if they are "a bit daft" I didn't mean to suggest ALL your boundaries were daft. I just meant that whatever she thinks of them, she should be abiding by them regardless because you and DH get to make the decisions for now, no matter what she - or any of the rest of us - might think.

Rennlau · 24/08/2020 23:52

@SomewhereInbetween1 thank you, your comment was so kind and supportive.

I didn't intend to be so controversial in regard to consent, but lovely comments from others like you have also been really encouraging and much needed.

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