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Is my mum being unfair giving cash for university for grandchildren but not the others

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Valerievalerie · 24/08/2020 07:08

My parents have 9 GC , half of them very high achievers, we are talking all A* , oxbridge standard

They all started going to uni last year . Mum told me that she had given a sum to my nephew as it is nice to have some money when away . First of all it is important to say that I’m absolutely not the type of person who keeps a tally and I indeed agree that it’s lovely to have a bit extra .

Now I have 3 daughters , all similar ages to my sisters children who have not gone to university, there are various mild SEN , and they just aren’t academic, The most academic out the 3 still failed half their GCSEs and has now told me that they don’t want to go to college or Uni .

Sisters second child is about to go off in September and my other sister also has a son going next year , so mum is telling me that they will need to give them the same .
Now because my oldest DD was 21 recently they were given £500 from my parents
This was of course very generous and she said she will give the same to my middle DD who is 21 next year
My youngest DD would have been going to college next year or the year after . Now I think it would be unfair to give my youngest £1000 like the cousins just for going to Uni . I feel like it is penalising for not being clever enough to go on to study . This may not happen anyway as she says she might just get a job instead.

I said to my mum last night that I didn’t think she should treat the grandchildren differently

She was quite shocked and said it was because when you go away from home you need all the help that you can get .

Now I was the one growing up who was not academic and I scraped 2 GCSEs , much like my children and my sisters were very clever and it has brought back all my feelings of inadequacy.
Ive always been envious of people who are clever , as brains are much admired in my family, and I was keenly aware of this growing up .
I know I’m thick and it’s awful seeing my children suffer at school like I did , and watch every one else in the family recipe I g endless A graded .

I was loved just the same but i have always felt like I was a disappointment.

Now I’m going through the same with my children and it stings . My middle daughter works very hard in a minimum wage job , does she deserve less because she didn’t go to Uni ?

I said to mum on the phone that it wasn’t about the money , and it really isn’t . It’s about feeling that brains are rewarded and another reminder about my feelings as a failure.
She said that it was about the money . It really isn’t . We are not short of money .

My mum has always been generous and has given all of us money for various things .
She really doesn’t play favourites so is baffled why I feel like this .

It is really hard watching other teens happily off to Uni , my oldest especially feels down about all her friends going wishing she could.

I have never discussed how I feel with my DC btw, Ive always felt embarrassed about how I feel and would never openly admit it , I try hard to play to their strengths and give them confidence.

So not sure what I should say to mum .
I think that I just want her to acknowledge how I felt second best and how hard it is growing up in a family of geniuses when you aren’t .
I might seem like I’m being really childish and grabby but I honestly am not.

My mum is always so proud of their academic abilities, my daughter was finally awarded a pass for GCSE English this week with the grades fiasco and had failed it twice already . I didn’t even tell mum as sisters daughter was given all As for A level a couple of weeks ago .
I can’t bring myself to tell her about our grade 4 pass .

OP posts:
mrpumblechook · 24/08/2020 08:58

I'm amazed so many people think your DM is being reasonable. I think she's being extremely unfair. The fact that your children have SEN makes it even worse. If your sisters were academic I presume that they have good jobs and can afford to make sure their DC have enough to live on at university if they want to so isn't necessarily "hard". Unless she plans to give your DC the same amount when they leave home she has been extremely discriminatory.

AlwaysOnAbloodyDiet · 24/08/2020 09:03

I don't think your mum has done anything wrong. I would see it as her giving a small contribution towards the cost of her grandchild's uni expenses. It's absolutely not about rewarding them for being academic, or whatever you perceive it to mean.

I'm also not quite sure why you and her would even discuss it. I have no doubt that my mum has contributed to each of her children and grandchildren quite differently over the years, as all have lived in very different circumstances. I wouldn't expect to know what she gives my siblings or nieces & nephews, and I certainly wouldn't pull her up on it. It would be absolutely none of my business.

Apolloanddaphne · 24/08/2020 09:03

My PIL have 8 GC, all but one have attended uni. They have financially supported only the DC of my SIL and not the DC of me and DH or of my BIL. SIL was always the favoured child so it is no surprise to us. We just shrug and let it go. Their money, their choice.

Nosuchluck · 24/08/2020 09:03

I guess it’s a bit like when parents or grandparents give money if there DC , DGC gets married and the unmarried DC don’t receive anything.
Your DM sounds very generous, it will probably even out over time.

Freddiefox · 24/08/2020 09:06

@Valerievalerie

The amount really isn’t an issue, I actually told mum that £500 was way to much for 21st . I’m well aware that I sound churlish It just really triggers old feelings of being written off

There were very low expectations of me . I asked mum why nobody made me revise for my exams and she said there was no point .

I still feel really sad about that . It’s almost like they did not know what to do with a child who wasn’t a genius so just left me to get on with it .

I would have loved to be a writer or a social worker , but nothing was ever suggested to me .
Really weird

Ive always known my DC aren’t academic so have encouraged many interests and hobbies over the years and always told them that anything is possible , talked about types of jobs they could do ect

I’m just still upset that nobody did this for me . It was awful being written off .
However , it is my cross to bear , you are all absolutely spot on and I will apologise to mum later .
She really is a kind soul , and not to blame for my Achilles heel ....

I have a very similar up bringing, no value was placed on non academic achievements.

I wasn’t supported with school because there was no point.
No one asked me what I wanted to do after school or helped me to know how to apply for a job. Looking back I find the whole thing really strange.

However my brother was encouraged and supported his life choices where talked about and discussed a lot.

My Nan gave my brother money when he went to uni. They said they would give me some on my birthday. But he was given some on his birthday as well.

It was never about money it was about how valued I felt it wasn’t just the money, it was the praise and adulation he received. I didn’t talk to my Nan for a very long time, again not because of the money, but because I felt she couldn’t like me.

So I completely understand where you are coming from.

Freddiefox · 24/08/2020 09:07

Op the really important thing to remember is, it’s not about the money but how you are valued

mrsBtheparker · 24/08/2020 09:08

Stop calling yourself thick, your writing belies that, were all posts so grammatically well written!

DocOfTheBay · 24/08/2020 09:08

Oh goodness OP!

How does your Mum have a chance to be proud of all her grandchildren if you haven’t told her that your Dd passed her English GCSE?

Don’t you owe it to your Dd to call your Mum, declare ‘guess what! Dd has worked hard and PASSED! I am so proud of her and wanted to share the good news!’

Make sure your Mum understand the impact of the SEN. Don’t assume that she only cares about the A*s. Give her a lead in joining you in your pride at Dd.

I am not criticising you, by the way, just observing, like others, that this is a far more complex issue than the cash, given presumably because it is expensive these days for a parent to put a child through 3 years of not earning.

Remind your mum on YOUR terms if yours and your Dc’ achievements. Even ‘Dd made the most brilliant cake today! Dd dealt really well with a tricky customer / so proud of Dc and the way they have handled lockdown...’ etc etc.

Get into a habit: every evening think of 3 things about yours and your Dc’ day that make you proud. Smiling at a neighbour, getting the garden done, anything and everything.

You have tons to be proud of. Give yourself and your D.C. the credit for it and others will follow suit... or you will gain the confidence to tell them.

FlowersDaffodilCakeStar

speakout · 24/08/2020 09:08

Op the really important thing to remember is, it’s not about the money but how you value yourself.

Lifeisgenerallyfun · 24/08/2020 09:10

I agree with you, it’s not about the money, it’s about you seeing history repeating itself reinforcing your feelings of failure.

Your mum can do what she likes with her money, I think it’s fair for her to give additional help to children off to uni And all the massive cost that entails. over that she gives to children still living at home.

You are looking for validation from your mum that you are equal to your siblings- she doesn’t see why you need it. You are unlikely to change her mind.

If I may offer advice, the only person who can help with your feelings of inadequacy is you. You could consider counselling to help you address your feelings, trying to set out an issue to your mum is going to be like banging your head against a brick wall and you’ll end up feeling increasingly frustrated.

Curiosity101 · 24/08/2020 09:11

I said to my mum last night that I didn’t think she should treat the grandchildren differently

But she isn't treating them differently...

When they turn 21 they all get the same amount.

When they go to uni they all get the same amount. And her reasoning for the uni money is cause it costs so much to live away from home/attend uni, which is true.

What you're suggesting is that she should give your DC money for 'nothing' effectively. That would be treating the grandchildren differently.

But I do get where you're coming from and I can 100% understand. If you've been made to feel academically inferior and if your family place a lot of emphasis/praise on those that do well at school/go to uni then it's definitely going to feel unfair that your sisters' children are getting the additional money for uni.

lljkk · 24/08/2020 09:11

I guess OP has changed her mind, now.

I'm totally YANBU on the basic principles OP put in 1st post.

I have this situation among DC. My non-academic path DC are NOT going to get less from me because they are non-academic. That feels outrageous to me and it continues to astonish me that many MNers argue it's ever fair. I'll control the gift still, probably go for property or training or a car, but no way I'm just going to treat Uni education as a special pass to have more inherited wealth thrown at it and not balanced out for the non-Uni DC. No Fing way.

Waveysnail · 24/08/2020 09:12

Could you ask her if she would mind giving the same money to your dc but holding it in trust towards first car or house deposit?

snitzelvoncrumb · 24/08/2020 09:15

I understand how you feel, I would be upset too. Can you talk to your mum about how you feel? Can you ask her what she plans to say to you children if they find out and want to know if they are less important?

Porcupineinwaiting · 24/08/2020 09:15

I asked mum why nobody made me revise

How can you make someone revise? Encourage, yes, support, yes, but make?

If you havent worked out by 13 or so that your education mostly benefits you, then that is down to you. There is no point in massively falling out with your kids over it. The school route is not for everyone.

SandyY2K · 24/08/2020 09:16

I asked mum why nobody made me revise for my exams and she said there was no point

You need to take responsibility for your own performance. You were old enough to know what to do.

You should have known that revision was necessary, unless you were a natural genius.

I didn't have to make my DC revise... they knew they had to.. and their school emphasised the point as well.

I agree with you mum...making you do what you clearly didn't want to do was pointless... now you want to turn this on her... that's unfair of you.

BadLad · 24/08/2020 09:16

I think YABU.

University is expensive. Some of my cousins' children are at university and I sometimes slip them the odd £50 to help them concentrate on their studies without worrying about buying food.

BayLeaves · 24/08/2020 09:17

University students from working class backgrounds without financial help from their parents massively struggle financially.

Just some of the ways people I know used to cope:

  • taking out second or third overdrafts against the bank's T&C's
  • moving in with shit boyfriends to save money on rent
  • living in the scummiest accommodation available to save on rent, generally riddled with drugs and constant house parties
  • setting up a profile on escorting websites and prostituting yourself for £100-£200 a pop
  • shoplifting when you need new clothes
  • never meeting up with friends because there's always an expense involved whether it's a bus fare or a Costa coffee
  • skipping lectures because you can't afford the bus or train to campus
  • dropping out

A £1k gift from a generous family member can make the difference between failing and surviving at uni. A £1k gift when you live at home is just a treat.

I think there's a difference between a gift and financial assistance.

Itisbetter · 24/08/2020 09:17

Different is not less and fair does not mean everyone gets the same.

We have high flyers and low fliers among our children and it would never be acceptable to blanket parent them.

Huge congratulations on the 4 Grin it will help so much.

RB68 · 24/08/2020 09:19

I don't think you are being unreasonable - the academic ones don't just come out with debt - they have a higher level of education and therefore higher earning potential. Kids who are not and go out to work have a lower earning potential (generally) and as such will need more assistance with things like housing deposits and first car etc. I do agree with money for need rather than just for the sake of it but surely you can see that long term without that gift of cash the none academic kids are effectively penalised. As others have said birthday money is different - likely the academic kids get that anyway. In terms of advantage of staying home for working kids, well frankly most Uni kids can do and do do this these days as well. It is a choice to go to further education and whilst its nice to give them the extra, those that don't go it is treating them unequally and unfairly to not see them given a financial boost in their chosen life even if you admire academic achievement.

MasterGland · 24/08/2020 09:19

My family also only valued academic achievement. This focus has shifted onto high earning jobs now, as we have all grown older. It won't change. You have to find a new way to know your own worth. It took me ten years of trying, but I can now sit in a room and listen to my mother describe how important my brother's job is because of how much money he earns. I let it all wash over me. It is very freeing.

CatherinedeBourgh · 24/08/2020 09:20

I think the key here is the message that education is only worthwhile if it leads to results. Preferably exam results.

By giving money to the dc who are going to university and not the ones who aren’t, your mother is sending the message that investing in your dc’s education would be a waste of money.

While I see that it would not be fair to give non uni gc money to spend on whatever they want, if it was me I would set aside the equivalent money for an educational activity, be it job related training, a course in something creative, or whatever they may enjoy.

There is something out there for everyone, sn or not, and their lives would be enriched by it, as well as by the message that their granny recognises and appreciates their particular talents and interests.

WaltzfortheMars · 24/08/2020 09:22

But I see no unfairness in supporting children with different paths IIjkk. I went to Uni, and my dsis did too, but she went further and got masters. Do I meant to feel unfair because my parents only paid for 4 years for me and 6 years for my dsis? Should I ask my parents to give me 2 years worth of money that I missed because I chose not to?

mrpumblechook · 24/08/2020 09:22

Different is not less and fair does not mean everyone gets the same.

That only applies if you are giving more to the less privileged. In this case it's the other way round. The people with SEN and who are less academic are at a disadvantage socially and economically compared with their academic cousins and yet the cousins are the ones being given extra money.

BayLeaves · 24/08/2020 09:23

@lljkk

I guess OP has changed her mind, now.

I'm totally YANBU on the basic principles OP put in 1st post.

I have this situation among DC. My non-academic path DC are NOT going to get less from me because they are non-academic. That feels outrageous to me and it continues to astonish me that many MNers argue it's ever fair. I'll control the gift still, probably go for property or training or a car, but no way I'm just going to treat Uni education as a special pass to have more inherited wealth thrown at it and not balanced out for the non-Uni DC. No Fing way.

But financial assistance at uni doesn't leave you with any lasting wealth, it means you have enough to buy food and books etc which is necessary to achieve the degree. If I had one at uni and one working, I'd still want to help both kids financially if I could afford it, but I'd give the student a greater proportion of the cash, because they're not earning a wage for 3-4 years in order to complete their education, so they have more financial need during that time.