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Is my mum being unfair giving cash for university for grandchildren but not the others

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Valerievalerie · 24/08/2020 07:08

My parents have 9 GC , half of them very high achievers, we are talking all A* , oxbridge standard

They all started going to uni last year . Mum told me that she had given a sum to my nephew as it is nice to have some money when away . First of all it is important to say that I’m absolutely not the type of person who keeps a tally and I indeed agree that it’s lovely to have a bit extra .

Now I have 3 daughters , all similar ages to my sisters children who have not gone to university, there are various mild SEN , and they just aren’t academic, The most academic out the 3 still failed half their GCSEs and has now told me that they don’t want to go to college or Uni .

Sisters second child is about to go off in September and my other sister also has a son going next year , so mum is telling me that they will need to give them the same .
Now because my oldest DD was 21 recently they were given £500 from my parents
This was of course very generous and she said she will give the same to my middle DD who is 21 next year
My youngest DD would have been going to college next year or the year after . Now I think it would be unfair to give my youngest £1000 like the cousins just for going to Uni . I feel like it is penalising for not being clever enough to go on to study . This may not happen anyway as she says she might just get a job instead.

I said to my mum last night that I didn’t think she should treat the grandchildren differently

She was quite shocked and said it was because when you go away from home you need all the help that you can get .

Now I was the one growing up who was not academic and I scraped 2 GCSEs , much like my children and my sisters were very clever and it has brought back all my feelings of inadequacy.
Ive always been envious of people who are clever , as brains are much admired in my family, and I was keenly aware of this growing up .
I know I’m thick and it’s awful seeing my children suffer at school like I did , and watch every one else in the family recipe I g endless A graded .

I was loved just the same but i have always felt like I was a disappointment.

Now I’m going through the same with my children and it stings . My middle daughter works very hard in a minimum wage job , does she deserve less because she didn’t go to Uni ?

I said to mum on the phone that it wasn’t about the money , and it really isn’t . It’s about feeling that brains are rewarded and another reminder about my feelings as a failure.
She said that it was about the money . It really isn’t . We are not short of money .

My mum has always been generous and has given all of us money for various things .
She really doesn’t play favourites so is baffled why I feel like this .

It is really hard watching other teens happily off to Uni , my oldest especially feels down about all her friends going wishing she could.

I have never discussed how I feel with my DC btw, Ive always felt embarrassed about how I feel and would never openly admit it , I try hard to play to their strengths and give them confidence.

So not sure what I should say to mum .
I think that I just want her to acknowledge how I felt second best and how hard it is growing up in a family of geniuses when you aren’t .
I might seem like I’m being really childish and grabby but I honestly am not.

My mum is always so proud of their academic abilities, my daughter was finally awarded a pass for GCSE English this week with the grades fiasco and had failed it twice already . I didn’t even tell mum as sisters daughter was given all As for A level a couple of weeks ago .
I can’t bring myself to tell her about our grade 4 pass .

OP posts:
7yo7yo · 24/08/2020 08:14

I don’t think YABU op.
I understand your feelings of hurt.
It seems your mum made you fee “less” than your sisters and now she’s doing the same to your DC.
She’s actually not as nice as you think imo.

MarthasGinYard · 24/08/2020 08:15

Yabu

They are getting the financial help for their education and probably living away from home. It reads as though your dc still live with you.

I'd also stop with the 'I'm thick' spiel as somehow it will be something they pick up on from you.

500 for a birthday gift and you think they should get more?

Really Confused

areyoubeingserviced · 24/08/2020 08:16

Your mum has explained that she gave the other GC money because of the cost of going to university. It’s not fair of you to make her feel bad about helping her other GC.
I am sure that if any of your dc move into their own flat she will help them out.
You even said, that she doesn’t play favourites.
Op, I think that this is more about your own feelings of security at supposedly not ‘being academic’.

I hope you don’t mind me saying this, but you have expressed yourself very well in your posts, you are obviously not ‘thick’
Have you ever thought of attending university as a mature student? You could look into doing an access course.
You can attend university at any age and in fact mature students tend to fare better.

Mosaic123 · 24/08/2020 08:16

I think it's wrong of her. Your children deserve the same amount whether they need it or not. It is a monetary expression of her love for her grandchildren. Does she love some more than others?

ErickBroch · 24/08/2020 08:17

£500 is a lot of money... I would never get money like that from anyone in my family. YANBU for feeling a bit weird about it, but YABU because your mother has a clear reason for giving more and it is logical. Oxbridge students can usually not work during term time (unlike students at other uni's) due to the amount of class time... therefore they literally will need more money than your kids just to get by.

areyoubeingserviced · 24/08/2020 08:18

Agree with@Broomfondle

Karwomannghia · 24/08/2020 08:18

YANBU.
I think it’s really important to be fair with money. So for me In my mind it is about money and I would admit that to your mum as it sounds like you can be open with each other.
However as the uni money is living expenses I would say that you’d expect some help towards your dc’s independent living expenses or a big purchase like travelling, when the time comes.

Katela18 · 24/08/2020 08:18

@speakout

I don't think you can expect a child/young adult to think in that way.

Thisyearcandoone · 24/08/2020 08:22

No, I think she should treat them
All the same, regardless of their academic level.

Flamingolingo · 24/08/2020 08:22

Honestly? I had support from my grandparents when at uni, in the form of generous birthday cheques (coincided with the new academic year). I have absolutely no recollection of what my sister got (but knowing GP probably not the same as she didn’t go to uni), and I know that my cousins who are younger than me for more for the increased tuition (I know this because my grandpa asked me about the financial differences at the time).

As far as I can see this is something your DM sees as fair and to do with being away from home and the expense that goes with that. It’s not a ‘leaving homey’ gift per se, just a helping hand for students who are already hard pressed to make ends meet.

Your feelings seem to stem from your own experience at that age - is there any way you can unpick it? Either with some counselling or by talking to your DM? I empathise because when I get into a row with my mum about my sister it’s usually related to some help or support I think she got and I didn’t.

Sophiesdog2020 · 24/08/2020 08:25

Op, I totally understand as my PIL are the same, they definitely value academic success very highly.

My DD is the youngest and least academic of the 4 GC (we have older DS and SIL has DD and DS a year older than each of mine). All the other 3 have been through uni, although one struggled significantly.

DD did a BTEC and now got a retail job / travelling, whilst working out her next steps.

PIL gave money for passing GCSEs etc. DD missed her English by ‘only’ 2 marks, I say ‘only’ as she had hearing problems through primary, so was always slightly behind in English, plus young and immature.

PIL withheld 50% of the money “as an incentive for her to pass it”. I was fuming, I could understand withholding 10%, but 50% - for one exam she narrowly missed? She didn’t need an incentive, she knew how important it was to pass it. How about rewarding effort rather than success? DH wouldn’t say anything to them but he definitely knew how I felt !

She got her C a year later, after much effort including re doing coursework, and got the remaining money, but I still can’t believe they withheld as much as they did.

They do love her to bits, I know that, but academic success is a holy grail to them and she has made comments about making them proud of her one day, which is sad. We make it known that we are proud of everything she does.

Laiste · 24/08/2020 08:26

YANBU IMO.

I believe when it comes to grand kids and ££ it's important to be very fair - just as you are/were with your own DCs.

The fairest thing to do would have been to put aside the same amount for each one and chosen a time to give them it. For example - helping for higher education, or turning 21, which ever comes first.

MoreListeningLessChatting · 24/08/2020 08:26

I agree and think it is unfair. I believe that all grandchildren regardless of academic ability should be treated the same. I agree it can (as in your case) make a person feel inadequate.

Our society really values academia and for some saying 'my X is going to Uni' is the pinnacle of success! For some who are natural academics it doesn't really take much effort, for others it is a slog and for many unachievable. However, there are many ways that people can be successful - being a good caring person and helping others seems to not score many points for some - for me and others it is a balance.

It doesn't hurt to say how you feel since keeping it inside is not good. Maybe she might rethink how she measures success and so reward!

Evenstar · 24/08/2020 08:26

YABU I can see it is very upsetting for you, but the grandchildren who are going to university have far more expenses. I think you need to put your own feelings to one side and be glad your DM is so generous and thoughtful. She was very kind to give your DD’s £500 for their 21st birthdays.

I would try and find an opportunity to have a proper chat with her, treat her to a nice coffee and explain things (including saying sorry if you think you have upset her). I think she would probably be very sad that you feel the way you do, as a mum you must know that you are proud of all your children even if they are not academically successful.

Changethatlockandkey · 24/08/2020 08:26

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable - it is one of those horrible, deeply personal slights that may or may not be reasonable but they still hurt. I think your second post perfectly articulate the ‘sting’ you feel.

If your mum looked at as 1000 pounds she gives when her Grandchildren go off into the world on their own, would she understand it might be nice to do when your daughters leave home to go flatting to help with setting up costs?

Changethatlockandkey · 24/08/2020 08:28

Yes the children who are going to university do have huge costs but presumably will be rewarded by far greater earning potential. It’s an investment not a cost.

gingerbeerandlemonade · 24/08/2020 08:28

My parents gave me £1000 when I started university but my other three siblings never went so we're never given money. They've never questioned it. They each got their first car which was about £500. I never got a car because I never learnt to drive so I guess it balances out. I think you are being unreasonable.

As for being thick, you are not 'thick' and I am sure if you put your mind to it now, you could achieve those GCSEs. Never put yourself down or let others. If you have that attitude about yourself have you passed that on to your children? Sorry off topic I know but you shouldn't call yourself thick. There are many intelligent people who choose not to go onto further education.

purpleleotard · 24/08/2020 08:28

I was in the same situation.
My mother favoured my sister's children. They had far more spent on them, far more time, far more attention.
My children recognised this and went NC for the last dozen years. No need to go and see granny as if golden children are there she will not notice then.
Granny did get the message in the end, but too late
Unfortunately the other set of grandparents were similar, but not so blatant.
So the message is be fair and even to all.

MoreListeningLessChatting · 24/08/2020 08:29

@Sophiesdog2020

'academic success is a holy grail to them and she has made comments about making them proud of her one day, which is sad.'

I found that comment really sad. They sound so unable to understand that people are different and that for some it is really difficult to gain academic success. That type of attitude can make a person feel worthless or inadequate. Thankfully, your daughter has you to see that not everyone is as ridiculous as her grandparents. 'Proud of her ONE DAY' that's a real stinger and quite nasty too.

PimlicoJo · 24/08/2020 08:29

I've started putting money aside to help my gc if they want to go to university as I recognise that it will be financially difficult for them. I don't want them not to have the education they strive for because they can't afford it. At the moment that's what the money is ringfenced for. Would I give it to them for another purpose? I'm not sure. It would depend what it was. I don't want to feel that I have to hand over money just to make things fair.

52andblue · 24/08/2020 08:29

I think all people should be valued equally, regardless of their talents.
The OP didn't feel this was the case when she was growing up
(with due cause re 'what's the point making you revise for exams'?)
so no doubt if she feels this is happening again 1 generation along then it will sting a bit.
I doubt it has occurred to your Mother to look at it this way.
Yes her Uni grandchildren will have extra costs right now but far far better earning capacity over a lifetime so arguably the less academic grandchildren need more of a hand financially over time?
It is difficult, some people believe in strict equal amounts, some in what is needed by that person at that time. I think that equal amounts over time is better as this doesn't allow the possibility for people to feel less valued, which they inevitably will.

ivfdreaming · 24/08/2020 08:32

I think you are projecting your own insecurities on to your children

University IS more expensive. By your own admission one of your daughters works a minimum wage job? What would she do with the money if she was given it??

IveSeenThings · 24/08/2020 08:32

YANBU- this is not about money, but about your mum not recognising success other than academic success. Success takes on many forms, and it must be difficult for you to feel less-valued by her than your siblings, and understandably you don't want your children to feel inadequate in the same way.
You need to make your mum recognise the value of success in other areas of life.

steff13 · 24/08/2020 08:33

Fair and equal are not the same thing. The kids at university currently have expenses your kids don't have, and your mother is helping with those. In the future, your kids may have expenses their cousins don't have, and she may help with those. Personally I think her mistake was telling you about it at all.

52andblue · 24/08/2020 08:33

And I'd tell your mum about your child's GCSE pass.
She might have worked harder to get that 4 than others do to get a 9.
Tell your Mum you are already proud, and also pleased for her for that 4.