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Is my mum being unfair giving cash for university for grandchildren but not the others

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Valerievalerie · 24/08/2020 07:08

My parents have 9 GC , half of them very high achievers, we are talking all A* , oxbridge standard

They all started going to uni last year . Mum told me that she had given a sum to my nephew as it is nice to have some money when away . First of all it is important to say that I’m absolutely not the type of person who keeps a tally and I indeed agree that it’s lovely to have a bit extra .

Now I have 3 daughters , all similar ages to my sisters children who have not gone to university, there are various mild SEN , and they just aren’t academic, The most academic out the 3 still failed half their GCSEs and has now told me that they don’t want to go to college or Uni .

Sisters second child is about to go off in September and my other sister also has a son going next year , so mum is telling me that they will need to give them the same .
Now because my oldest DD was 21 recently they were given £500 from my parents
This was of course very generous and she said she will give the same to my middle DD who is 21 next year
My youngest DD would have been going to college next year or the year after . Now I think it would be unfair to give my youngest £1000 like the cousins just for going to Uni . I feel like it is penalising for not being clever enough to go on to study . This may not happen anyway as she says she might just get a job instead.

I said to my mum last night that I didn’t think she should treat the grandchildren differently

She was quite shocked and said it was because when you go away from home you need all the help that you can get .

Now I was the one growing up who was not academic and I scraped 2 GCSEs , much like my children and my sisters were very clever and it has brought back all my feelings of inadequacy.
Ive always been envious of people who are clever , as brains are much admired in my family, and I was keenly aware of this growing up .
I know I’m thick and it’s awful seeing my children suffer at school like I did , and watch every one else in the family recipe I g endless A graded .

I was loved just the same but i have always felt like I was a disappointment.

Now I’m going through the same with my children and it stings . My middle daughter works very hard in a minimum wage job , does she deserve less because she didn’t go to Uni ?

I said to mum on the phone that it wasn’t about the money , and it really isn’t . It’s about feeling that brains are rewarded and another reminder about my feelings as a failure.
She said that it was about the money . It really isn’t . We are not short of money .

My mum has always been generous and has given all of us money for various things .
She really doesn’t play favourites so is baffled why I feel like this .

It is really hard watching other teens happily off to Uni , my oldest especially feels down about all her friends going wishing she could.

I have never discussed how I feel with my DC btw, Ive always felt embarrassed about how I feel and would never openly admit it , I try hard to play to their strengths and give them confidence.

So not sure what I should say to mum .
I think that I just want her to acknowledge how I felt second best and how hard it is growing up in a family of geniuses when you aren’t .
I might seem like I’m being really childish and grabby but I honestly am not.

My mum is always so proud of their academic abilities, my daughter was finally awarded a pass for GCSE English this week with the grades fiasco and had failed it twice already . I didn’t even tell mum as sisters daughter was given all As for A level a couple of weeks ago .
I can’t bring myself to tell her about our grade 4 pass .

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Valerievalerie · 26/08/2020 07:35

I’m getting the impression on here that a lot of you assume that most students struggle financially while studying .

Surely this isn’t always the case ?
My sister and partner are both high earners, their DC do get loans for fees and rent though and they work in the holidays as aren’t allowed jobs during term time .

Now I am fully aware that it’s mega expensive , and I don’t have experience of managing paying bills ect, but presumably the arrangements for paying rent / bills ect are fully arranged / organised at the start of the term and they aren’t suddenly stuck to pay ?
My DN actually went skiing with her Uni pals so doesn’t appear to be struggling for money .

My mum mentioned it and actually said oh well , it’s her money .
Indeed it is , and lovely that she can go and have fun, however we are not discussing a teenager from a low income family .

Growing up there were many instances where I felt the disparity.
For instance there was never money for school trips abroad . Now this was the case for most kids in the 80s , and I accepted this .

Money was always found for trips which involved being talented , so DSis went abroad on a maths Olympia competition, and other sis went abroad for orchestra trips / concerts .
Again, totally understandable , but I really wanted to go on the Spanish trip but couldn’t as it was just a jolly . I imagine if there was an orchestra where I was first violin the money would have been found.
Anything deemed not functional / educational was out .
Just another way reward was linked to achieving and another memory of feeling lesser .

All my DC have been allowed on all the trips they want , which I’m proud I’m able to do .

I told mum on the phone yesterday that DD had passed her English and she was very pleased and said she hadn’t realised she hadn’t passed .

I did not mention the money again . We had a nice chat and all good

I don’t need to go to college now, I am very happy with my job now and I’ve worked my way up and can provide all needed .

I’m not as bitter and jealous as some of you appear to think .

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Valerievalerie · 26/08/2020 07:52

I am planning on having a chat with her at some point about how I felt so she knows it’s not about the money .
It is hard as I don’t want to upset her as she is very soft .
She doesn’t mean it .
My cousins toddler is now 18 months and wasn’t saying any words or walking by one , and she has said to me a couple of times
“ I’m not sure how bright he is going to be “

Now I said to her that surely it really down matter how “bright” he is , and how he seems really happy/ cheery and so on .
Why is she even thinking this at this point ?
I mean he is One year old .
Let him just be .

Whenever she has asked if somebody I know is bright and I ask why , her answer to challenge on this is always the same
She says it just makes it easier that’s all .

And she is of course right . But we all know that don’t we , so in my opinion it doesn’t merit a mention . Grrrr

Ive never once heard other adults asking about if people are bright or not .
It just really winds me up !

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WaltzfortheMars · 26/08/2020 07:58

You talk about your siblings went to maths Olympia, or orchestra trips. You must have seen how much effort they put in to those, and you still have grudge? Challenging to solve lots of difficult maths problems, practicing musical instrument hours everyday, that's something you should be rewarded by enabled to attend if they had a chance, like participating Olympia or concert. It cannot be compared to you wanting to go on a Spanish trip just for fun. If you spent hours practicing speaking Spanish everyday, maybe you also had a chance to be sent to a trip.

minnieok · 26/08/2020 07:59

They are running up huge debts going to university, she's helping them with costs that your kids aren't incurring.

Beautiful3 · 26/08/2020 08:08

Yabu. Going to uni makes you skint. Having that gifted money probably means they eat a bit better than ramen noodles and toast for a while.

Valerievalerie · 26/08/2020 08:09

I don’t hold a grudge whatsoever.
I’m simply explaining the set up in our family ,but everything I say is misinterpreted by people to say I’m bitter . I’m really not . Just an observation.

All my DDs are allowed to go on trips that does not involve them being good at something.
They can go and enjoy.
Can you really not see the difference ?

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Floatyboat · 26/08/2020 08:11

Extra cash at uni gives breathing room. Especially if going to Oxbridge type places they will have wonderful opportunities and having money means they can take those opportunities. Meeting interesting people, doing interesting things.

Spending money on maths Olympiad or orchestra is more useful/worthwhile than an average holiday in Spain, it just is.

Your less academic children may still want to do private training etc at some later point for a specific professional qualification. Working on oil rig, joining armed forces, professional abseiling, whatever and it might be in those moments your mother will wish to support them.

Sometimeswinning · 26/08/2020 08:12

There is nothing wrong with admitting you're jealous. We've all been there. You need to admit it to yourself and then you can figure out how to move forward. Either talk to your mum and be honest. She may not have realised all these years shes favoured academic achievements over others or she may just say it's her money and none of your business.

WaltzfortheMars · 26/08/2020 08:14

It makes the difference by your parents circumstances back then. You say yourself there was no money for trip abroad. But any parents would try their best to find the money if their children were selected to attend maths Olympia or concert abroad.
You can send all your children abroad because you can afford it. I can clearly see the difference.

Valerievalerie · 26/08/2020 08:19

You are missing the point

Of course maths and music are important, but as a 14 year old I wanted to go on a trip to Spain with my class mates .

I will be / do already support my own DDs with whatever they need and won’t need anyone else’s cash .

I’m giving examples of situations and posters are belligerently refusing to see why a 14 year old should not feel disappointed.
There was no Spanish at our school . I just wanted to go .
Hardly a crime .
Some kids just coast along not being particularly talented at anything , and that is fine , it does not mean however that they do not deserve any treats

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Floatyboat · 26/08/2020 08:20

There is a difference between a treat and helping your child reach their full potential, one is more important than the other.

HMSSophie · 26/08/2020 08:21

YANBU.

Rewarding high academic achievement and only high academic achievement, reflects a limited, biased view of what is important in life.

Growing up in a family where only one side of life is valued, is really damaging imo and ime.

The key difference is whether money is given out of love and care for the young person, or out of reward and praise. Your DM is doing the latter and consequently you feel your DC are not as cared for or loved by your DM.

It isn't about the money - things very rarely are, when money is involved. In our culture money carries so many messages and "values" that it is never separate from a million other messages. I'm sorry your DM cannot see that.

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Wowcherarestalkingme · 26/08/2020 08:25

I think I understand where you are coming from OP. My brother was very academic, went to a top university and studied law. I was much more creative and studied drama. My parents quite simply didn’t know how to relate to me over my interests. We have never been treated different financially but I vividly remember telling my dad I got a B in my practical performance for GCSE and his response was ‘never mind about dressing up, how are you doing in your other subjects’. That was the bottom line really. My passion was childish and not important in his eyes. And I’ve never forgotten it.
It’s not about the money, it’s about the emphasis on academic achievement. And for some children academic achievement is not getting straight As. I think as society we put a lot of emphasis on this until our children are adults and then suddenly no one really cares anymore. It’s not surprising our children’s mental health is being damaged by the unbelievable pressure they are under to achieve top grades while in school.
I hope my children achieve to the best of their ability in school. Whether that’s in maths, drama or French at grade A or grade C. And I say that as a teacher. I hope I never undermine their achievements in the way I feel my dad did when I was 16.

Wowcherarestalkingme · 26/08/2020 08:25

Wow that was really long. Sorry!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 26/08/2020 08:32

Money was always found for trips which involved being talented

I wouldn't say that what your mother is doing is functional or educational. She is just rewarding her children and grandchildren for a very narrow version of success. And no, I don't think that's fair or kind.

My parents have given each of us children money for the grandchildren's education. This money has been variously spent for different grandchildren - on university or talent camps for some, on one-to-one swimming lessons for another with additional needs, and on school trips abroad whether they involve talent or not.

Because all of those are educational. And my mother's a teacher so she should know Grin

WaltzfortheMars · 26/08/2020 08:32

I am not missing a point. My dc is good at maths and musical instrument. Yes, he is talented, but the effort he put into it, it's not hardly as easy as other people think. Haven't you seen it since you had those siblings?
Treat is a treat. It's simple your parents couldn't afford it back then, to send you to just fun trip, but found money some how to send your siblings something they worked hard for.
You do have a choice, and money to send your children to any trip they want. It's great that way. But you cannot say you were treated unfairly just because your parents didn't have the money to spare for treat trip.

Valerievalerie · 26/08/2020 08:33

Thanks for that wow

So many unsympathetic posters on here wilfully misunderstanding my points .
Very predictable though .
I’m happy to take on any advice , no matter how hard to hear but am disappointed that feeling undervalued by my family is fine and I should suck it up

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WaltzfortheMars · 26/08/2020 08:41

I am not actually unsympathetic. My dsis is gifted, I wasn't. And I know how hard my dsis worked. So well deserved extras she got. I feel different to you. I don't value my parents' love for me from how much money they spent on me or on her. I didn't even notice the difference, but like you say, yeah, she went on extra trips etc, I just thought she deserved it.

WaltzfortheMars · 26/08/2020 08:42

Oops, typo, I am actually not unsympathetic.

Chloe1973 · 26/08/2020 08:48

I understand why you feel this way given your feelings growing up but your mum sounds lovely and the main thing to concentrate on here is that she does not show favouritism. It seems like she loves all of her gc. My mum is the same. I have 2 siblings and my parents have 8 gc. My parents supports / give money to gc based on their each individual situations - some get more than others simply because they need more. It can’t be easy for your mum with so many gc and at least she tries to give everybody something. Try to talk to someone / read self help books regarding your feelings growing up as this may help you to put things into perspective. Good luck x

WildWaterSwimmer · 26/08/2020 09:00

YANBU.

I have a similar situation in my family. My daughter is at Oxbridge and was given £50k by grandparents for living expenses. In addition they've bought her a brand new car and paid for a £5k course during the long vacation. For birthday and Christmas gifts they give her at least £100 (usually more).

My highly intelligent and wonderful son is disabled and gets £20 from them at birthdays and Christmas. They've never provided any other support despite the fact we've been in dire straits at times trying to fund equipment, treatment and appropriate education for him.

It makes me sad that my parents treat my children so differently. I'm very grateful for the support my daughter receives but feel very sad for my son. I've tried to delicately broach the subject of the inequality with my parents but they don't comprehend the problem.

WaltzfortheMars · 26/08/2020 09:08

Tbh, I feel you are bitter toward your parents. Saying any poster disagreeing with you being unsympathetic and predictable, and read it as saying you should suck it up, you are refusing to see it from different pov.
Hard work deserve a reward. It could be a money for special trip, or extra to pay for Uni like your Mum did. It's not rewarding being clever, it's rewarding hard work.I'm sure a lot of parents do it.

ItsIslandTime · 26/08/2020 09:12

WildWaterSwimmer. Has your daughter ever said anything? She must realize that that’s a very shitty thing for her grandparents to do. My adult kids wouldn’t ‘allow’ something like that to happen. They would make it ‘fair’ one way or another.

RodeoDive · 26/08/2020 09:22

I'm sorry, OP, I can see this from all angles and it's tricky ground for everyone.

Is it possible that your mum might even it up as and when your own children fly the nest, and give them a bit towards setting up their own homes etc.?

It sounds like there's some misunderstanding and miscommunication based more on the fact that you don't feel as valued as your academic siblings, than the particular money situation at hand. I imagine if you felt otherwise equal to your siblings this different-amounts-at-different-times thing wouldn't even be a blip on your radar.

Despite the slights you've felt, it sounds from what you say that you have a kind, thoughtful mum which is a huge blessing. I think having a non-accusatory chat with her (lots of "I've felt that" and "the reason I've reacted as I have..." statements!) might give her the opportunity to reassure you about how much she loves and is proud of you. Raising 3 SEN children can't be a picnic and I'm sure she admires that.

Bear in mind that she will also be a product of her upbringing. If brains were valued above all else, she may simply have fallen into patterns of thought and speech that she barely even notices, let alone means anything by.

I hope you can find some peace and comfort in a lovely relationship with your mum.

Valerievalerie · 26/08/2020 09:28

Thankyou rodeo for your kind words .
I will indeed do that as soon as I can .

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