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Am I been unreasonable? Child access

421 replies

pj722 · 23/08/2020 15:48

So, dad here

I have been separated from my wife for a year and a half. We have a 3 year old. We was together 10 years and married. She is 30 and I am 35.

The marital home is now sold, in the last few months and completed. I am still at my mums pending my new house being ready. My ex has now got a shared ownership 4 bedroom house on the same new estate as we lived on before, and as a father I always wanted her and my son to be sorted first. In order to do this, out about £27,000 equity, I ended up with 4k as we paid her car loan, PERSONAL loan, part of her credit card and enough for her a deposit for a new house. It was more than fair on her behalf and a year later until house was sold ive been with my mum. Not easy. I also took majority of credit card debt.

She works as a teacher, 3 days a week, earns about £1340 a month for that. She gets £300 CSA from me, and £86 child allowance, oh and she got some universal credit on top for nursery, but I still paid more than half of nursery on top of CSA. Thankfully our son is now 3 and from 7th sept he gets 30 hours free.

She regularly complains that she cannot manage financially, reasons such as smoking etc are a factor But anyway, that isn’t the point of this.

I work shifts. 6 days on, 4 day off, this is 2 earlies, 2 lates and 2 nights.

Since we split I have my son on 3 of my days off and sometimes after my second early and into the late shift.
So usually out of 10 days I have him overnight 3- 4, mostly 4. It has always worked well.

All of a sudden she has now decided that me working shifts doesn’t provide stability for our son. It would be nice to have more consistency, however he is a very happy boy and knows he gets 3 good days with his dad on his days off.

She doesn’t seem to accept this all of a sudden but maybe it could be because she has met someone new.
I have done a lot of research and it seems the amount of days that a) don’t see their children, b) see them one every 2 weeks is astounding. And I’m getting it in the neck for having him technically 4 in 10?

I would love to see my son more, however due to giving her most of the money from the divorce and having bigger debts I have no choice to carry on working what I do and what I earn. I also need a house now for me and my son too.

I think the question is, what can I do? I don’t think I’m been unreasonable.

The thing is, if she didn’t get the £300 a month CSA she would struggle, but if it came to the point it was half and half she wouldn’t get any CSA and I wonder if she should even get what she gets if I’m already having him 4 nights in 10.

I know this may sound ridiculous bit if I had to have him more and most of the time, then I would consider an aupair and give them £300 a month!

I have to work and do the job I do. I have no choice in the current climate to take pay cuts, change jobs. I did say to her we both need to be thankful we have jobs, and that I am very much part of my little boys life.

All he cares about is being happy, and he gets 4 days off with me so its great.

I don’t want to go to court, because I have never known people go to court because one parent in other parents opinion doesn’t have their child enough, It’s just ridiculous. Surely a judge would accept I’ve done what I’ve done to make sure she and my son are okay.

She isn’t the best communicator most of the time.

OP posts:
2andahalfpints · 23/08/2020 21:41

She would be expected to work around your shifts in court and you don't need to pay maintenance.

I was told to work round my ex's shifts (he gave me a rota so I could see and plan around it) and once the care is split 50-50 there is no need for maintenance

Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 21:41

How do you know he's hiding loads?

Because he’s not answering perfectly reasonable questions like ‘why not get 50/50 access’ and ‘what happens if your day with your son falls on one of his nursery days’ and ‘what do you consider yourself if not a single parent’ and ‘have you looked into getting an au pair’...

Menora · 23/08/2020 21:45

Way too enmeshed in her finances, it’s so unhealthy and weird. So much resentment about money. Stop doing it then. Stop helping her. You can’t basically pay her to never bring anything up with you. She is allowed to ask you about your shift pattern you don’t have to do anything new or move jobs, you just talk to her like a normal human.

I feel sorry for both of your next new partners too if this is what it is all about. Stay single (or wherever you call it) until you have worked through your resentment towards her and the money. And stop giving her money! Just don’t do it! How is that hard to work out?!

glitterfarts · 23/08/2020 21:47

op if you have a roster 2 years in advance and you know you work 6 days, then have your child 3 days, then have a day off, then work 6 days etc, I'd suggest you buy an actual calendar - and mark it all out for her.

Leave it as is. 6 days work, 3 days child, 1 day off. repeat. simple.

Your ex is your ex. Stop sorting her bills, her life. Just give her the calendar of when you are having DS.

I'd suggest when he starts school, unless he's going to HER school, you go 50/50 in all before school/after school care and clubs like beavers, swimming, etc. Then it doesn't matter who has the child, the child still goes to the same clubs on the same nights/days.

Really not difficult.

Your ex being a teacher means you are lucky not to have to pay for holiday club and then she still gets a break when you have him for the 3/10.

Doesn't sound too difficult. Why has she asked for set days? Providing the calendar 2 years in advance AND going 50/50 in all childcare/clubs should negate a lot of the reasons why.

Bollss · 23/08/2020 21:55

@Pumperthepumper

How do you know he's hiding loads?

Because he’s not answering perfectly reasonable questions like ‘why not get 50/50 access’ and ‘what happens if your day with your son falls on one of his nursery days’ and ‘what do you consider yourself if not a single parent’ and ‘have you looked into getting an au pair’...

Maybe he's not replying to you because you're not being very pleasant?
Cocomarine · 23/08/2020 22:00

The 90% is interesting. Because your search history says the only asset was the house, which you split 60/40 in her favour. Even if you say that you both changed your mind about that agreement to go 90/10, you said that there was very little equity - so it doesn’t sound like the absolute sums were large.

Menora · 23/08/2020 22:04

He said it was £27,000 equity total

Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 22:08

Maybe he's not replying to you because you're not being very pleasant?

I’m not the only one who asked though. And he’s replied to me plenty - he just hasn’t answered any questions where the answer (doesn’t want 50/50 access, just wants to hurt the ex) doesn’t paint him as the Good Guy, because that’s what’s most important to him.

Bollss · 23/08/2020 22:10

@Pumperthepumper

Maybe he's not replying to you because you're not being very pleasant?

I’m not the only one who asked though. And he’s replied to me plenty - he just hasn’t answered any questions where the answer (doesn’t want 50/50 access, just wants to hurt the ex) doesn’t paint him as the Good Guy, because that’s what’s most important to him.

He has 40% of the time anyway, I don't see what the massive push for an answer on 50% is tbh?
Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 22:12

He has 40% of the time anyway, I don't see what the massive push for an answer on 50% is tbh?

Because then he can reduce the amount he pays to his ex. Which is obviously a massive bugbear for him.

Crispyturtle · 23/08/2020 22:12

Totally bemused by all the comments about children getting ‘confused’ by parents working shifts. I work shifts, sometimes I work in the week, sometimes at the weekend. Sometimes I do say shifts, sometimes night shifts. Between me & DP (who works office hours non-fri) and our childminder we sort it out. We tell the kids at the start of the week what’s happening, they totally accept it, they have never seemed in the slightest bit confused.

If me & DP split up, I would expect that we would continue to share childcare around my shifts. It would be crazy for them to come to me on the days I was working, because we wouldn’t actually see each other. If DP insisted on set days, I would think this was more for his benefit than the children’s Hmm

OP, YANBU. It is in your child’s interest to see you, spend time with you & have a relationship with you. That should be the priority, not some bollocks ‘routine’

SleepingStandingUp · 23/08/2020 22:15

Does she work set days?
So Mon-Wed he's in nursery, Thur-Fei he'd not but if your 3 access days are Mon-Wed he's missing nursery all week?

Is she able to cover drop off and pick on her work days?

Bollss · 23/08/2020 22:19

@Pumperthepumper

He has 40% of the time anyway, I don't see what the massive push for an answer on 50% is tbh?

Because then he can reduce the amount he pays to his ex. Which is obviously a massive bugbear for him.

It can't be that much of a bugbear because he would have done something about it surely? He doesn't have to pay nursery fees but he is so.... I don't buy it that money is all he cares about.
liveitwell · 23/08/2020 22:19

Why did you offer to pay her credit card debts? Her personal debt. Why did you agree to give her the lions share of the equity?

I'm sorry OP but I feel we're getting part of the story - the part that YOU want us to know.

You feel you've paid above and beyond what's needed so now she should just shut up about everything. You can dangle that carrot for as long as you want. It's a guilt trip and it's not fair.

If you didn't want to pay those then you shouldnt have. You should have sorted the finances out fairly as any other couple does.

You sound incredibly sexist from your posts. "Women just want everything". Ahem, watch who you're labelling.

Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 22:21

It can't be that much of a bugbear because he would have done something about it surely? He doesn't have to pay nursery fees but he is so.... I don't buy it that money is all he cares about.

So why the reluctance to discuss 50/50? There’s also the added, less important, bonus of having his own kid 10% more.

DumplingsAndStew · 23/08/2020 22:22

What do you mean by this?

Like the other person said she has come out of this very well, im doing my best to spend quality time with the father of my child.

at 4.04pm

NYCDreaming · 23/08/2020 22:23

Right at the start of the thread the OP said that he doesn't even know how his ex wants to change the contact arrangements, she's just said that she would like more consistency. Surely the reasonable thing to do would be to have a more in depth conversation with her and work out what exactly the problem is and some ideas to make it easier.

Instead he's decided to come to a forum of mostly women to rant about his awful ex, and when people haven't joined in stroking his ego he has made misogynistic remarks both about women in general and posters on this thread in particular.

If we disagree with him we're merely "disgruntled women". It says a lot about who he is.

blueorangeredyellow · 23/08/2020 22:24

The simple answer really is you need to arrange to each have 50/50 access.

Both have set days and nights every week that never change.

You can both organise your personal lives in advance.

Your child knows where they will be on which day so as they get older they will appreciate the regularity and routine.

Scrap child maintenance seeing as you will both have the same child related costs and use that money to organise your own childcare for the days you are working when you have your child.

It doesn't need to be complicated and she can't be expected to be your childcare and always be available due to your work commitments.

I would be pretty pissed off to be honest if I had separated from my child's dad and I couldn't arrange to go out with a friend or plan to take my child somewhere in advance because of my exes work schedule and never knowing which days he would be seeing the kids in the future.

Bollss · 23/08/2020 22:31

@Pumperthepumper

It can't be that much of a bugbear because he would have done something about it surely? He doesn't have to pay nursery fees but he is so.... I don't buy it that money is all he cares about.

So why the reluctance to discuss 50/50? There’s also the added, less important, bonus of having his own kid 10% more.

Omg I don't know! Why are you pushing it so much? It's weird.
Bollss · 23/08/2020 22:32

@blueorangeredyellow

The simple answer really is you need to arrange to each have 50/50 access.

Both have set days and nights every week that never change.

You can both organise your personal lives in advance.

Your child knows where they will be on which day so as they get older they will appreciate the regularity and routine.

Scrap child maintenance seeing as you will both have the same child related costs and use that money to organise your own childcare for the days you are working when you have your child.

It doesn't need to be complicated and she can't be expected to be your childcare and always be available due to your work commitments.

I would be pretty pissed off to be honest if I had separated from my child's dad and I couldn't arrange to go out with a friend or plan to take my child somewhere in advance because of my exes work schedule and never knowing which days he would be seeing the kids in the future.

But she does know, he gets the schedule well in advance?
SleepingStandingUp · 23/08/2020 22:37

Surely the issue with op having him every Mon-Wed say is that when he's on lates, the childcare is for overnight and that's a whole different kettle of fish. I wouldn't want my ex to have the kids overnight of he's paying a babysitter to have them all night. It just doesn't feel right.
I guess the aforementioned au pair might be an option but not sure how many au pairs would want to work for a man when the kid isn't there half the time

Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 22:37

Omg I don't know! Why are you pushing it so much? It's weird.

WTF? I’m not pushing it any more than you are! You’ve been all over this thread defending the OP and you don’t even know what you’re defending. He won’t answer any question that paints him in a bad light, and you won’t accept that he’s not being honest. Why the need to stick up for someone who’s so clearly a misogynist? Why argue with me if you don’t know why he’s behaving the way he is? It’s so weird!

Bollss · 23/08/2020 22:45

@Pumperthepumper

Omg I don't know! Why are you pushing it so much? It's weird.

WTF? I’m not pushing it any more than you are! You’ve been all over this thread defending the OP and you don’t even know what you’re defending. He won’t answer any question that paints him in a bad light, and you won’t accept that he’s not being honest. Why the need to stick up for someone who’s so clearly a misogynist? Why argue with me if you don’t know why he’s behaving the way he is? It’s so weird!

Sorry I don't even know what I'm defending? I can only go on what he has said, unlike you who's basing your opinion on what you've fabricated in your own head.

Stick up for him? All I've said is I don't think he's being unreasonable. Christ on a fucking bike.

Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 22:50

If he hadn't mentioned it he'd be getting the Spanish inquisition about exactly what he pays and would be accused of hiding it.

This is your defence of his obsession with how much money he pays his ex. You’ve responded to every poster who has either criticised him or asked him why he’s not answering questions.

You’re not denying he’s a misogynist either.

Dominicgoings · 23/08/2020 22:50

@Pumperthepumper

Omg I don't know! Why are you pushing it so much? It's weird.

WTF? I’m not pushing it any more than you are! You’ve been all over this thread defending the OP and you don’t even know what you’re defending. He won’t answer any question that paints him in a bad light, and you won’t accept that he’s not being honest. Why the need to stick up for someone who’s so clearly a misogynist? Why argue with me if you don’t know why he’s behaving the way he is? It’s so weird!

This ^^

You are WAAAAAAY overinvested Genie. I’m only here now to see what you come out with next ( gave up on the OP seeing any sort of reason pages ago Wink )

Waiting with bated breath for your next defence 😂😂

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