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pj722 · 23/08/2020 15:48

So, dad here

I have been separated from my wife for a year and a half. We have a 3 year old. We was together 10 years and married. She is 30 and I am 35.

The marital home is now sold, in the last few months and completed. I am still at my mums pending my new house being ready. My ex has now got a shared ownership 4 bedroom house on the same new estate as we lived on before, and as a father I always wanted her and my son to be sorted first. In order to do this, out about £27,000 equity, I ended up with 4k as we paid her car loan, PERSONAL loan, part of her credit card and enough for her a deposit for a new house. It was more than fair on her behalf and a year later until house was sold ive been with my mum. Not easy. I also took majority of credit card debt.

She works as a teacher, 3 days a week, earns about £1340 a month for that. She gets £300 CSA from me, and £86 child allowance, oh and she got some universal credit on top for nursery, but I still paid more than half of nursery on top of CSA. Thankfully our son is now 3 and from 7th sept he gets 30 hours free.

She regularly complains that she cannot manage financially, reasons such as smoking etc are a factor But anyway, that isn’t the point of this.

I work shifts. 6 days on, 4 day off, this is 2 earlies, 2 lates and 2 nights.

Since we split I have my son on 3 of my days off and sometimes after my second early and into the late shift.
So usually out of 10 days I have him overnight 3- 4, mostly 4. It has always worked well.

All of a sudden she has now decided that me working shifts doesn’t provide stability for our son. It would be nice to have more consistency, however he is a very happy boy and knows he gets 3 good days with his dad on his days off.

She doesn’t seem to accept this all of a sudden but maybe it could be because she has met someone new.
I have done a lot of research and it seems the amount of days that a) don’t see their children, b) see them one every 2 weeks is astounding. And I’m getting it in the neck for having him technically 4 in 10?

I would love to see my son more, however due to giving her most of the money from the divorce and having bigger debts I have no choice to carry on working what I do and what I earn. I also need a house now for me and my son too.

I think the question is, what can I do? I don’t think I’m been unreasonable.

The thing is, if she didn’t get the £300 a month CSA she would struggle, but if it came to the point it was half and half she wouldn’t get any CSA and I wonder if she should even get what she gets if I’m already having him 4 nights in 10.

I know this may sound ridiculous bit if I had to have him more and most of the time, then I would consider an aupair and give them £300 a month!

I have to work and do the job I do. I have no choice in the current climate to take pay cuts, change jobs. I did say to her we both need to be thankful we have jobs, and that I am very much part of my little boys life.

All he cares about is being happy, and he gets 4 days off with me so its great.

I don’t want to go to court, because I have never known people go to court because one parent in other parents opinion doesn’t have their child enough, It’s just ridiculous. Surely a judge would accept I’ve done what I’ve done to make sure she and my son are okay.

She isn’t the best communicator most of the time.

OP posts:
Menora · 23/08/2020 20:35

Single = not in a relationship
Dad = parent

You are not married to her now so you are single

Littleposh · 23/08/2020 20:39

Ridiculous replies as ever on here.

Plenty of parents work shifts, if you want to try and dictate that only people still in a relationship with their child's other parent or childless work shifts then you're going to have a shock next time you call 999 and there's no-one working!!

Kids are resilient and a 3 year 100% doesn't not know day it is from one to the next.

Plenty of parents are entirely absent or turn up for a couple of days every few months, this guy is doing his best, working hard, looking after his child well and trying to make life easier for his ex and all he's getting is grief??

No pleasing some folk, and unfortunately I think this includes your ex. She seems to think that you should be living your life purely in a manner to make her life as easy as possible. Equally unfortunately (for her!!) the real world doesn't work like that. Carry on as you are, until you choose you to change your routine, or until your child shows signs that the situation is detrimental to them

just5morepeas · 23/08/2020 20:41

If you have a child and are not in a relationship with the other parent then you are a single parent.

It's a description, not a judgement. (Or at least it shouldn't be!)

SarahMused · 23/08/2020 20:43

When your days off coincide with your ex wife’s days at work, do you still have your son or does he go to nursery as it is already paid for?

beelola · 23/08/2020 20:47

Are we finally getting to the actual issue then which seems to be that she wants you to spend more time with your child to make her life easier? Which is exactly what you expect her to do because your financial support was more than the bare minimum?

There absolutely has to be some flexibility where possible and I understand your point of view about arrangements (although I think you're a dick about money). Realistically if your shifts are on a rolling rota, that is consistency that your child will likely cope well with. But it's still fair for your ex to ask if you are able to change arrangements.

Dominicgoings · 23/08/2020 20:48

You seem to have a real issue with the boundaries around your relationship with your Ex.
You control how much maintenance you pay.
You have an unhealthy involvement in her finances.
You refuse to acknowledge that you have options for looking at flexible working.
You refuse to consider options for childcare OTHER than your Ex.
You believe that you have no responsibility to at least try and adjust your working hours.
You belittle and dismiss posters who challenge you.
But the scariest thing of all is that you refuse to acknowledge that your Ex is a SINGLE PARENT.

Good luck if you end up in court. Which I suspect you will.

Kinkybutkind · 23/08/2020 20:51

Just curious, but what is the chance of you having to call in to work because your child is poorly and you cannot attend... and how does that compare to the chances of your ex having to do the same ?

Princessbanana · 23/08/2020 20:51

@pj722 I have sent you a private message.

CalishataFolkart · 23/08/2020 21:00

Mon Ex - work & childcare/OP - work
Tues Ex - work & childcare/OP - work
Wed Ex - work & childcare/OP - work
Thurs Ex - childcare/OP - work
Fri Ex - childcare/OP - work
Sat Ex - childcare/OP - work
Sun Ex - nothing/OP - childcare
Mon Ex - work/OP - childcare
Tues Ex - work/OP - childcare
Wed Ex - work/OP - childcare
Thurs Ex - work & childcare/OP work
Fri Ex - work & childcare/OP work
Sat Ex - childcare/OP work
Sun Ex - childcare/OP work
Mon Ex - work & childcare/OP work
Etc.

Whilst true that there are no days when OP is doing nothing, there are a lot of days where the Ex is doing both.

Dominicgoings · 23/08/2020 21:00

@pj722 I have sent you a private message.’

Grin You do know that posters get a notification when they receive a pm ? Wink

Bollss · 23/08/2020 21:00

@beelola

Are we finally getting to the actual issue then which seems to be that she wants you to spend more time with your child to make her life easier? Which is exactly what you expect her to do because your financial support was more than the bare minimum?

There absolutely has to be some flexibility where possible and I understand your point of view about arrangements (although I think you're a dick about money). Realistically if your shifts are on a rolling rota, that is consistency that your child will likely cope well with. But it's still fair for your ex to ask if you are able to change arrangements.

Why is he a dick about money when he's actually paid far more than he ever needed to??
CalishataFolkart · 23/08/2020 21:03

Oops, I’ve given her two extra days work in the second week.

Bollss · 23/08/2020 21:05

@CalishataFolkart

Mon Ex - work & childcare/OP - work Tues Ex - work & childcare/OP - work Wed Ex - work & childcare/OP - work Thurs Ex - childcare/OP - work Fri Ex - childcare/OP - work Sat Ex - childcare/OP - work Sun Ex - nothing/OP - childcare Mon Ex - work/OP - childcare Tues Ex - work/OP - childcare Wed Ex - work/OP - childcare Thurs Ex - work & childcare/OP work Fri Ex - work & childcare/OP work Sat Ex - childcare/OP work Sun Ex - childcare/OP work Mon Ex - work & childcare/OP work Etc.

Whilst true that there are no days when OP is doing nothing, there are a lot of days where the Ex is doing both.

What like most people Grin

I mean she's not, she's doing work then a couple hours childcare... Not both simultaneously?

Tbh that is the norm with nrps isn't it?

beelola · 23/08/2020 21:05

@trustthegenegenie Because he's constantly talking about money like that's anything to do with child arrangements. They've separated and dealt with finances.

Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 21:11

He’s also really weird about the single parent thing.

pj722 · 23/08/2020 21:15

@Pumperthepumper

He’s also really weird about the single parent thing.
Weird? 😘🙈
OP posts:
Princessbanana · 23/08/2020 21:16

@Dominicgoings Op is clearly new to Mumsnet!🤷‍♀️

pj722 · 23/08/2020 21:16

[quote beelola]@trustthegenegenie Because he's constantly talking about money like that's anything to do with child arrangements. They've separated and dealt with finances.[/quote]
I have my ex 90%... sometimes money is a factor

OP posts:
Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 21:18

Weird? 😘🙈

Yep, weird. Of course you’re a single parent 🤡

Bollss · 23/08/2020 21:18

[quote beelola]@trustthegenegenie Because he's constantly talking about money like that's anything to do with child arrangements. They've separated and dealt with finances.[/quote]
If he hadn't mentioned it he'd be getting the Spanish inquisition about exactly what he pays and would be accused of hiding it.

Equally if I woman left with next to shite all and continued supporting their ex over and above what they needed to all whilst not having their own home they'd be told to stop supporting the other person and ) or asked if they'd lost their fucking mind.

Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 21:20

He’s hiding loads though - this ego stroke didn’t go too well when the surface was scratched did it?

Dominicgoings · 23/08/2020 21:25

‘Why is he a dick about money when he's actually paid far more than he ever needed to??’

According to the OP of course Wink

Perhaps you should send him a pm as well Timber. You seem heavily invested in justice for the OP Grin

Dominicgoings · 23/08/2020 21:26

@Dominicgoings

‘Why is he a dick about money when he's actually paid far more than he ever needed to??’

According to the OP of course Wink

Perhaps you should send him a pm as well Timber. You seem heavily invested in justice for the OP Grin

Sorry that was meant for Trustthegenie
Bollss · 23/08/2020 21:35

@Pumperthepumper

He’s hiding loads though - this ego stroke didn’t go too well when the surface was scratched did it?
How do you know he's hiding loads?

Weird.

Bollss · 23/08/2020 21:35

@Dominicgoings

‘Why is he a dick about money when he's actually paid far more than he ever needed to??’

According to the OP of course Wink

Perhaps you should send him a pm as well Timber. You seem heavily invested in justice for the OP Grin

Justice? I don't think he needs "justice" what gives you that idea? I just think his ex is being unreasonable, that's all.