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Am I been unreasonable? Child access

421 replies

pj722 · 23/08/2020 15:48

So, dad here

I have been separated from my wife for a year and a half. We have a 3 year old. We was together 10 years and married. She is 30 and I am 35.

The marital home is now sold, in the last few months and completed. I am still at my mums pending my new house being ready. My ex has now got a shared ownership 4 bedroom house on the same new estate as we lived on before, and as a father I always wanted her and my son to be sorted first. In order to do this, out about £27,000 equity, I ended up with 4k as we paid her car loan, PERSONAL loan, part of her credit card and enough for her a deposit for a new house. It was more than fair on her behalf and a year later until house was sold ive been with my mum. Not easy. I also took majority of credit card debt.

She works as a teacher, 3 days a week, earns about £1340 a month for that. She gets £300 CSA from me, and £86 child allowance, oh and she got some universal credit on top for nursery, but I still paid more than half of nursery on top of CSA. Thankfully our son is now 3 and from 7th sept he gets 30 hours free.

She regularly complains that she cannot manage financially, reasons such as smoking etc are a factor But anyway, that isn’t the point of this.

I work shifts. 6 days on, 4 day off, this is 2 earlies, 2 lates and 2 nights.

Since we split I have my son on 3 of my days off and sometimes after my second early and into the late shift.
So usually out of 10 days I have him overnight 3- 4, mostly 4. It has always worked well.

All of a sudden she has now decided that me working shifts doesn’t provide stability for our son. It would be nice to have more consistency, however he is a very happy boy and knows he gets 3 good days with his dad on his days off.

She doesn’t seem to accept this all of a sudden but maybe it could be because she has met someone new.
I have done a lot of research and it seems the amount of days that a) don’t see their children, b) see them one every 2 weeks is astounding. And I’m getting it in the neck for having him technically 4 in 10?

I would love to see my son more, however due to giving her most of the money from the divorce and having bigger debts I have no choice to carry on working what I do and what I earn. I also need a house now for me and my son too.

I think the question is, what can I do? I don’t think I’m been unreasonable.

The thing is, if she didn’t get the £300 a month CSA she would struggle, but if it came to the point it was half and half she wouldn’t get any CSA and I wonder if she should even get what she gets if I’m already having him 4 nights in 10.

I know this may sound ridiculous bit if I had to have him more and most of the time, then I would consider an aupair and give them £300 a month!

I have to work and do the job I do. I have no choice in the current climate to take pay cuts, change jobs. I did say to her we both need to be thankful we have jobs, and that I am very much part of my little boys life.

All he cares about is being happy, and he gets 4 days off with me so its great.

I don’t want to go to court, because I have never known people go to court because one parent in other parents opinion doesn’t have their child enough, It’s just ridiculous. Surely a judge would accept I’ve done what I’ve done to make sure she and my son are okay.

She isn’t the best communicator most of the time.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 23/08/2020 20:03

If you work shifts on a regular rota (which I think you do) court would support you have your DS on the days you don't work.

It appears that your ex wants it all ways. She's bought a larger house than she needs and only wants to work 3 days per week - all her choice.

Give her your rota as far as you can in advance, discuss what weeks holidays you would like with your DS use the CMS calculator to ensure you are at least paying the minimum that is required.

If she isn't happy then you she request mediation and then court if you can't agree.

It seems she would like more of her weekends free. You both could ask respective parents to do Friday overnights to enable this perhaps???

Courts are not going to insist on EOW when you work shifts and always have done!

Dominicgoings · 23/08/2020 20:03

‘So the 30 hours of free childcare is used when SHE works. If you are to have your DS more then this needs to be addressed.’

The ‘free’ childcare provision is generally available in ‘conventional’ 9-5 type settings. Working those hours is absolutely not an option for the OP apoarently.
How many nurseries have overnight provision?

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 23/08/2020 20:04

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander sounds like you did amazingly well.

I bet your kids were happier with your Mum that with someone who couldn’t be bothered with them.

Bollss · 23/08/2020 20:04

[quote Minimumstandard]@TrustTheGeneGenie. You really don't understand what "on call" means, do you? Yes, the OP might do these things IF HE IS FREE. But he can't guarantee this. His ex has to do them, whether she's free or not, because she's the parent with primary childcare responsibility. She can't tell nursery, "I'm too busy working to come and get my child, call his dad!"[/quote]
Yeah I really do. I just don't agree with you.

If I was working and I knew my ex wasn't, that's absolutely what I'd tell nursery. Why wouldn't you?

But then I'm not petty and bitter or too proud to ask...

Nat6999 · 23/08/2020 20:05

When i split from exh we stuck to the court order for access for the first couple of years, but as we got further away from the splitting up we managed to arrange to swap or have extra days, it does get better, now our ds is older, he sorts when he wants to see his dad himself.

pj722 · 23/08/2020 20:05

@boysnamehelpplease

She’s not a single mum

In what way is she not a single mum?

How is she a single mum? She has the support of my 24/7 under certain circumstances. I have him 4 days a week. I don’t class myself as a single dad .
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Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 23/08/2020 20:08

You are a single Dad though. You are single and a Dad. She is single and a Mum (or at least not together with the child’s father). You aren’t a lone parent as she is also in the picture. That’s the difference.

RandomMess · 23/08/2020 20:09

How far in advance do you get your rota?

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 23/08/2020 20:09

She has the support of my 24/7 under certain circumstances.

This is a bit mealy mouthed! You can’t support someone 24/7 “under certain circumstances “. It’s not 24/7 in that case!

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 23/08/2020 20:11

@Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander sounds like you did amazingly well.

I bet your kids were happier with your Mum that with someone who couldn’t be bothered with them.

Thanks. I just did the best I could. I was lucky to have my mum and a job that I adored. One day I hope to be well enough to get back there Smile
pj722 · 23/08/2020 20:11

@Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches

She has the support of my 24/7 under certain circumstances.

This is a bit mealy mouthed! You can’t support someone 24/7 “under certain circumstances “. It’s not 24/7 in that case!

If he’s poorly I’m going to be there. If she’s borrowed £200 to her ex partner who has done a moonlight it’s Not my problem - surely you get this?
OP posts:
pj722 · 23/08/2020 20:12

@RandomMess

How far in advance do you get your rota?
I have it for 2 years ahead. It never changes. It’s very simple. 6 days on 4 days off
OP posts:
Pogmella · 23/08/2020 20:15

24/7 support (as long as you’re not working and it’s nothing personal like wanting time with her boyfriend) isn’t really the same as having a supportive life partner.

You are both single parents

Dominicgoings · 23/08/2020 20:15

‘How is she a single mum? She has the support of my 24/7 under certain circumstances.’

Hmm And another piece of the jigsaw slots into place.

RandomMess · 23/08/2020 20:16

Then if you went to court it is very likely you would be supported having your contact in line with your rota rather than having EOW or similar.

Your ex wishing it were different is her problem. She can pay for babysitters at weekends, grandparents could be asked to provide overnights once a month or something.

Contact is for the benefit of the DC you are having him as much as you can around your shifts and it's fixed and she can plan around it. The fact she doesn't like it is something she has to come to terms with.

Littlepaws18 · 23/08/2020 20:16

You have been more than fair and accommodating to her needs financially and provided lots of stability. She knew when she met you that your shift pattern was this.

It may inconvenience her, but that's her reasoning not because your son is getting confused over it.

It drives me mad when children are used as the excuse! Stick to your guns and wish you luck

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 23/08/2020 20:18

I agree with some PP’s that you should first research getting an support or nanny to find out whether it’s even feasible. If it is, apply for 50/50. Then you can have your son on set days and your ex can perhaps pick up extra hours to make up the financial shortfall ( the CSA).

I agree that you need to be careful in this uncertain economy or you could end up out of work, which won’t help your son. If your work can offer any flexibility with shifts, great. But that might not be the case.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 23/08/2020 20:18

*aupair not support 😂

nanbread · 23/08/2020 20:20

Think you're getting a hard time here.

Basically your partner is saying:

Give up shifts so you can have a predictable work pattern

But

Keep earning what you're earning as a result of working shifts

And those two things are mutually exclusive, unless you're lucky enough to get a new job fulfilling those criteria... Which could be really difficult especially at the moment.

RandomMess · 23/08/2020 20:22

Thing is op does a predictable work pattern, it can be worked out months in advance!!!

What his ex seems to want is more weekends free??? Or not to have to pay for babysitters?

Cocomarine · 23/08/2020 20:23

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pj722 · 23/08/2020 20:27

@Cocomarine

For the love of god, stop banging on about money, and just tell her you want the current contact arrangements - and you are prepared to go to mediation to discuss that, but will go to court for an order if required.

This has got nothing to do with you choosing the split of assets that you did, so stop bringing them into it. Nobody put a gun to your head to spunk your credit card on takeaways and crap for the house that neither of you could afford 🤷🏻‍♀️

When you start posting about “women”, you can just piss off, frankly.

I agree you should have your son on your off days - but you really are not coming across well here at all.

No disrespect but I haven’t mentioned my sons name or hers. So if you would prefer “lady” then we can do that.

You have have noting positive to say through this entire conversation so... sorry. I’m out

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pj722 · 23/08/2020 20:30

@Dominicgoings

‘How is she a single mum? She has the support of my 24/7 under certain circumstances.’

Hmm And another piece of the jigsaw slots into place.

How is she a single parent? I am very much part of my sons life. She’s not on her own with no support from anyone with a father of my son that’s walked out of her life for good. We all know it happens. Get real. I don’t class myself as a “single dad”
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Pumperthepumper · 23/08/2020 20:32

I don’t class myself as a “single dad”

You keep saying that, but it doesn’t make sense. What do you class yourself as?

Cocomarine · 23/08/2020 20:34

It’s not about their names, does it help if I quote you the full sentence?

“okay. Why do women assume they are entitled to everything? my god.“

That is the sort of crap that makes you come across badly.

Because yes, that’s what we women are all like Hmm

Interesting that you think I have nothing positive to say when I have posted twice that you are in the right about contact, and I also challenged a poster who said it was confusing for children. I also gave you advice to go for mediation and if necessary court. So yeah - nothing positive 🤷🏻‍♀️

If someone who actually agrees with your position thinks that you come across badly / with your ridiculous comments about women, and focus on money, then maybe listen?

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