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On holiday with friend and her kids; it's not going well

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GlummyMcGlummerson · 22/08/2020 11:35

For context, my DD (8)was diagnosed a few weeks ago with a (mild) neurological condition. As part of this she has good days and bad days - good days she’s a normal 8yo with a normal routine, bad days she get dizzy spells, nausea, headaches (usually triggered by noise or bright lights) and sleeps a lot. She’ll have a 1-2 hour nap and then 14-15 hours at night. I am essentially waiting to see if she gets over it on her own before considering treatment, on advice of her doctor.

We (me, DD and 4yo DS) are on week-long UK holiday with my friend and her kids who are the same age as mine, a couple of hours from where we live. My friend’s 8yo - lets call her Emma - is a sensitive child, always has been, my friend has discussed it with me before, but I never gave it too much thought, my own DD can certainly be sensitive. However we are now on day 4 of the holiday, and living in close quarters with them I’ve realised she’s VERY over sensitive and it’s affecting everyone’s enjoyment of the holiday, and more importantly my DD’s condition. Emma is NT.

A few examples
⁃ they were colouring the other day and Emma went slightly over the lines in her picture. She burst into tears, blamed her mum because her mum was talking to me, and cried for half an hour, chucking her paper in the bin
⁃ - they put a “play” on for us the other night and Emma jumbled up for words. She got really upset, sat on the floor sobbing with her arms folded and refused to finish the play, which annoyed DD the others as they wanted to show us.
⁃ She stubbed her toe on the sofa yesterday and had a totally OTT reaction. She grabbed her foot, rolled around on the floor and screamed the most high pitched scream I’ve ever heard, relentlessly, for 20 minutes. I had to take DD out the room as it brought on a headache. If you overheard you’d think she’d have been stabbed. Her toe was fine, no break and no bruise.
⁃ We went for a picnic yesterday and when we packed up we told the kids that they all had to carry something back and we gave Emma the (lightweight) picnic blanket to carry. After a couple of minutes of walking back to the lodge, and heard a shriek. We turned around and she was about 10m away sitting on the ground crying hysterically. She said it was because the blanket was too heavy then we all left her behind. My friend had to carry for uphill back to the lodge and she cried all the way.

It’s lots of little things all the time. As to not drip feed, my friend’s DH has said before (in front of my friend) he thinks Emma’s sensitivity is exacerbated by her mum babying her. I (secretly) agree - she carries her a lot because she “gets tired legs” - such as round the supermarket, or from a restaurant to the car, or out of someone’s house. She also apologises to her a lot where I don’t think it’s necessary - she apologised for “making” her go over the lines when colouring. She also lays with her every night til she falls asleep - singing a lullaby or scratching her back, for about 1-2 hours. Her 4yo goes to sleep alone! The last 3 nights I’ve looked forward to having a bottle of wine with my friend, but she doesn’t usually come down til 10pm from putting Emma to bed. She’s attempted making her fall asleep alone before but had little success.

Anyway DD has been quite good about Emma’s tantrums considering she hasn’t been well, and every day has been a “bad day” for her. But last night when DD started to feel sleepy around 6pm, and Emma wanted her to play a game. DD said no she just wanted to watch a bit of TV, and Emma has a strop and told her mum that DD was a “bad friend”. At that point DD burst into tears and said to me, in front of Emma, that this is a rubbish holiday and Emma is ruining it 😬 well, merry hell broke loose and I took DD to bed to try and diffuse the situation.

Me and my friend had a bottle of wine and a bit of a grumble last night about it all, she said she has a daily struggle with Emma being so sensitive and her DH goes out the house for hours at a time to sit in a car park because he can’t stand the noise.

When I woke DD up today she said that she feels sick all the time and wants to go home Sad. TBH I feel the same way, I’m sick of the shrieking and whilst I feel sorry for my friend it’s making it an unenjoyable holiday.

I figure I have 4 options:
1. Go home - say DD just isn’t well enough (DS is very chilled out and likely wouldn’t mind this but I’m loathe to cut his holiday short)
2. Tell my friend how Emma’s behaviour is affecting DD and ask her to speak to her or step in before it escalates
3. Do more as a family of three separately from the other family and maybe just meet them for dinner
4. Say nothing, they’re kids and will get over it
WWYD?

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AnotheBloodyChinHair · 22/08/2020 12:13

I'd see if I could manage option 3 but if too much work, I'd just go home.

I feel awfully sorry for Emma, but I am afraid this situation won't ever change without professional input. Her own father can no longer take it!! How much longer are they going to allow this situation to continue without offering this child some help? I feel they will end up splitting up and things will get progressively worse.

What makes you say she is NT? I know no one can make a diagnoses over the internet with such little info, but something is not right with this child, whether it is past trauma, ASD, or something is actually happening to her as we speak...

GabsAlot · 22/08/2020 12:14

she carries an 8 year old -no sorry shes brou9gh this on herself the mother i mean-who a-ologies for talking

she sounds like shes scared to discpline her

either do things seprately and try that if not go home

SockYarn · 22/08/2020 12:14

I don’t think you’re going to change Emma’s behaviour

Certainly not in three days when she has been allowed to behave this way for eight years. And when the mother doesn't see it as an issue.

FlySheMust · 22/08/2020 12:14

Just do things as a three and let her do the same.

gamerchick · 22/08/2020 12:15

Are you sure she's NT? Sounds like she needs assessing. Her reaction to this behaviour is the real problem though, no way I'd put up with that shit from my kid.

However, in your position I don't think I would go home. But I would split up as much as possible. If the bairns really poorly then maybe going home would be the next option.

It's such a shame, I'm assuming you were looking forward to this holiday as well.

Toddlerteaplease · 22/08/2020 12:15

She sounds awful. I'd be having a frank discussion with my friend and doing my own thing from now on. An 8 year old should not be allowed to ruin a holiday for everyone else.

GabsAlot · 22/08/2020 12:15

sorry for typos apolgises*

Covert20 · 22/08/2020 12:16

My first instinct, having an Emma myself, is that Emma probably isn’t NT. And the parenting you criticise in your friend may we’ll be as a reaction to the difficult behaviour from her daughter not the cause (even if it isn’t helping).

That probably doesn’t help you a whole lot, but there is NO WAY you should go for option 2. As Emma is now 8, I imagine she’ll stop coping at school soon (if she hasn’t already) and hopefully they can have the gentle conversation with your friend about seeking extra support /diagnosis for Emma.

As for your holiday, if your DD can’t cope, go home, what else can you do?

katy1213 · 22/08/2020 12:16

I'd have some long days out on your own. And if your friend asks why, it's because everyone's had a bellyful Violet Elizabeth Bott.

SandAndSea · 22/08/2020 12:17

I would leave. Let your friend know, gently, that your DD is feeling unwell and struggling with the noise and stress. I would continue your holiday at home with lovely activities, whatever you all fancy doing.

rookiemere · 22/08/2020 12:17

I'd try a day of doing things by yourselves as a family. Explain to friend that DDs condition seems to be getting worse, so you're going to try a different approach. No need to mention her DDs behaviour as she will understand perfectly without being told.

GabsAlot · 22/08/2020 12:19

also well done to your dd she so9unds really mature considering shes got an illness

i wouldnt put her through anymore shit thats unnecessary

Porcupineinwaiting · 22/08/2020 12:20

Another one that thinks that young Emma may not be as nt as all that. This doesnt sound like a case of simple spoiling. And if she's not nt "good old fashioned discipline" may well make things worse.

As for your holiday, that's up to you. But even if you do decide to cut your losses, be kind to your friend, she sounds like she's in a very isolated place. Personally, I would suggest she get some external input for her dd.

sycamorecottage · 22/08/2020 12:20

That child isn't sensitive, she's a drama queen.

Frazzled2207 · 22/08/2020 12:21

Option 3 for today but cut your losses and go home tonight/tomorrow if your dd is not happy.

midnightstar66 · 22/08/2020 12:22

I'd go home. There's no point asking mum to speak to her. Emma is not about to suddenly change and if you go off and do your will own thing when that doesn't seem to have been the plan or the norm so far I think it will affect your friendship with your friend. Perhaps do a fun local day trip to make up for the loss of holiday days

itsgettingweird · 22/08/2020 12:23

Also be supportive because her husband sounds crap too.

He should be stepping up to support - not out the front door

RowboatsinDisguise · 22/08/2020 12:24

We live a few doors down from a child like this. It’s exhausting just living near them, let alone being on holiday with them!

blueshoes · 22/08/2020 12:24

My first instinct, having an Emma myself, is that Emma probably isn’t NT. And the parenting you criticise in your friend may we’ll be as a reaction to the difficult behaviour from her daughter not the cause (even if it isn’t helping).

I agree with this. Parents can develop compensatory behaviour for their dcs which make them look like the cause. Walk a mile in their shoes.

Just leave. Less said, the better.

Pobblebonk · 22/08/2020 12:25

Certainly go home, but also suggest to friend that she gets Emma referred to a paediatrician. Either she has some fairly serious problems - being too tired to walk round a supermarket, if genuine, would point to that - or she doesn't and she's doing all this for attention. Either way, it would be really helpful to get an outside view and advice.

corythatwas · 22/08/2020 12:25

You don't actually know if Emma is NT or not.

But really it doesn't matter.

The fact is that this holiday is putting too much pressure on your dd. That's all you need to know. Doesn't matter whose fault it is: it's a fact.

I would go for option 1. Or failing that, option 3.

PoodleMoth · 22/08/2020 12:27

Option 3

thegreenlight · 22/08/2020 12:27

Emma doesn’t sound NT to me either. The over reaction to pain in particular. Your own daughter has issues too - can’t you try to be a little more understanding? I have a son a bit like this. He is 7. Some people think that ‘soft’ parenting causes behaviour like this, but in reality it’s usually because they have tried the charts, the shouting, the punishments, the taking away of toys but none of it works. Gentle parenting is often the only way to minimise the behaviour. It doesn’t make it worse.

MotherofTerriers · 22/08/2020 12:28

Explain that the children need a break from each other and do your own thing. If that doesn't work, go home

2bazookas · 22/08/2020 12:28

I'd do option 3 and embrace it as a valuable opportunity to teach your DCs :

When things are difficult, plans go wrong, sensible people find a way to adapt . Like DD does, managing her condition to help herself the best she can How proud you are of her independence and common sense. So, we're going to do some thing positive to change our holiday plan and make it better. We're going to have a lovely time together doing things on our own without Emmas family.

   Perhaps spending more time with a normal family has  opened your friends eyes to where she's going wrong; and that Emma's behaviour has wider social consequences. But  now isn't the time for you  to  have that out with her, wait until  after the holiday, when you're on your own, no kids present. 

Focus on your family and your holiday. Hope you have a good time.