The song ‘WAP’ does not deserve the fawning plaudits? (NSFW)

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs

WAP by Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion. Stands for Wet Ass Pussy. That’s all what the whole song is about. Consensus seems to be that’s it a great anthem about female sexual empowerment. The New York Times: “An event record that transcends the event itself.” The Los Angeles Times: “A savage, nasty, sex-positive triumph.” For the high-brow publication Pitchfork, Cardi/Megan ‘center themselves as women in order to freely celebrate their coveted power, sex appeal, and A1 WAP.’

Sample lyrics:

“ I wanna gag, I wanna choke/I want you to touch that little dangly thing that swing in the back of my throat.”

“ “Gobble me, swallow me/Drip down inside of me/Quick jump out ’fore you let it get inside of me,”

Rest here: genius.com/Cardi-b-wap-lyrics

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To me think the crassness of the song is so boring. I’m not outraged or aghast. I just don’t think it’s sexy in the slightest (others clearly disagree). The song talks about pussies so much they may as well be rapping about a pair of shoes. But I cannot seriously accept that this is video and song are anthem of liberating empowerment, with its pole dancing, strip club visuals and sexual cliches. Listen to the song all you want but let’s pretend these are role models.

@Leflic
This is Skunk
Listening to that right now
Bloody love Skunk Anansie, epic song, can we not like others too though?

@Leflic

Cardi and Megan are not telling anyone to fuck off

They don’t hate men. Clearly they love dick too 😂
Empowerment is not about putting down one group of people to better your own group of people

They are describing their sexual preferences and the reason it can be seen as empowering is that it is telling women to own their sexuality and preferences and not be ashamed to enjoy it, tell their partner what they like and move sex away from being an act that focuses predominantly on pleasure of the man, it involves the woman too

My tits are very sensual and one of the most sensitive areas of my body

Oh wait a minute did a man tell me that

Yes @ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

You are BRAINWASHED and CONDITIONED by the MENZ if you see your tits as anything but a milk factory.

But it's not surprising, considering that Mumsnetters prefer a book and a cup of tea to having sex.

Empowerment is not about putting down one group of people to better your own group of people

Very true

and the reason it can be seen as empowering is that it is telling women to own their sexuality and preferences and not be ashamed to enjoy it

and yes, exactly this

But it's not surprising, considering that Mumsnetters prefer a book

But only if it's literary fiction written by nice middle class white women.

@Leflic and I despair that you think you're the gatekeeper of acceptable blackness.

Cardi is too stereotypically black for you, because she's empowered by her sexuality and not afraid to make money from saying so?

Eeesh. You may not think you see black women any differently from white women, but despairing at Cardi for personifying black stereotypes you don't agree with speaks volumes.

@LonginesPrime

Why is everyone complaining that this song isn't sufficiently empowering for them?

Are women only allowed to take their clothes off and dance around if they can back it up with a solid reason for doing so?

Who gets to decide what reasons are acceptable?

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Perhaps, god forbid, the women just love good sex and want to let people know.

Ok, it's old, but it's women saying, we like sex and this is how we like it, the language may be way more restrained, but that's not my point, there is no way this could be misconstrued as being man-centred.

@Quaagars

FfS why are men the default?

They're not!! That's the whole bloody point!! People keep bringing it back to "but men like that!" fully ignoring women might too.
Therefore, if women like something, they're not allowed to or at least will be judged as it's fitting in with a patriarchal view and if the men like it we should cease and desist immediately.
Heaven forbid women like something men happen to like too.

Not disagreeing about women liking sex. At all. But this is utter male wank fodder. Can we at least turn the videos into what we want from men rather than us having to look like men’s sexual fantasies ....

I think the humour has bypassed many

I remember a very heated thread about Nicki Minaj a few years ago. Sophie from Reigate and Tilly from Harrogate seemed to know far more about being an empowered black feminist women involved in the rap music industry than NM herself. So much so most on the thread decided she wasn’t a feminist or empowered at all

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN
My tits are very sensual and one of the most sensitive areas of my body
Oh wait a minute did a man tell me that hmm

You only think your tits are sensual because the patriarchy told you that they're sensual.
You didn't think that for yourself. Society dictates that they can be because men said so.
not my actual views>

Actually don’t give a shit.

Now listening to Skunks back catalogue . Everyday hurts just a little more .... why is thus not an advert already... amazing song....

Not disagreeing about women liking sex. At all. But this is utter male wank fodder

Sometimes male wank fodder and female fantasies overlap though...
Should we just stop if that is the case? Think of something more becoming for a lady who wants to do the sex?

Why the actual fuck do people get so bent out of shape when women rap about sex, but have been happy to spend the last few decades bopping along to men rapping about raping women.

Example out of thin air. Shake That by Eminem, released 15 years ago. Here some lyrics:

Looking for a couple bitches with some double d's
Pop a little champagne and a couple E's
Slip it in her bubbuly, we finna finna have a party
We 'bout to have a party (turn the music up)
Let's get it started (Go head shake your butt)
I'm lookin' for a girl I can fuck in my hummer truck
Apple Bottom jeans and a big ol' slut
Some girls they act retarded
Some girls are bout it 'bout it
I want a bitch that sit at the crib with no panties on
Knows that she can say no but she won't say no

Now I hope you don't get mad at me
But I told Nate you was a freak
He said he wants a slut, hope you don't mind
I told him that you like it from behind

I’m obviously a bad feminist

I love to wear, dare I say it, high heels too

And most shockingly I enjoy that i am sexually attractive to some

So what if a man finds that video hot? In fact you know what, men should listen to it. They should think ok maybe I could make my partners feel that way.. maybe I don’t know enough about vaginas. Maybe it would be even hotter sex if I actually found out what the woman wants in bed and what turns her on. This is not just a song or video for men to wank on or women to develop some kind of pussy rage, it’s saying ‘hey, women like sex too and don’t you think we don’t. Grab your vaginas ladies and gentlemen bring a bucket if you are lucky...’

A floor-length night gown and bloomers for sure, Quaagars

I genuinely really enjoy her music and messages.

"I'ma make you a bowl of cereal with a teaspoon of bleach
Serve it to you like, "Here you go, n#### bon appétit""

I actually think when Kelis re-released Wait (The Whisper Song) it was incredibly empowering and gave a lot more depth to sexual equality than the misogynistic undertones of the original by the ying yang twins

@Leflic* "Not disagreeing about women liking sex. At all. But this is utter male wank fodder.
Can we at least turn the videos into what we want from men rather than us having to look like men’s sexual fantasies"*

the video should've been changed, even though Cardi has said that it was her vision brought to life, because men might also be into it?

If you got halfway through cooking a roast tonight and your DH said he was looking forward to having one, I presume you threw it in the bin and made a salad instead? After all, an empowered women shuns things she likes if the end result would mean a man might also gain enjoyment from it.

Why the actual fuck do people get so bent out of shape when women rap about sex, but have been happy to spend the last few decades bopping along to men rapping about raping women.

Exactly!

[quote easterflowerss]@Leflic and I despair that you think you're the gatekeeper of acceptable blackness.

Cardi is too stereotypically black for you, because she's empowered by her sexuality and not afraid to make money from saying so?

Eeesh. You may not think you see black women any differently from white women, but despairing at Cardi for personifying black stereotypes you don't agree with speaks volumes. [/quote]
Not some twatty “gatekeeper” of anything. Either you want being back as a thing or you don’t. Frankly I think it’s a divide women can do without.

Women have enough stupidity to fight without colour.. The whole stereotypes around black women are part of the same shit about women full stop. Black women don)t win because of their big butt as women don’t win because of long blonde hair.A pussy is still a male porn term black or white. They are defining you,

YANBU.

If that's all they can 'sing' about then it merely proves they see themselves as sex objects and nothing more. We ought to pity them really.

And there was me, back in the day, thinking that feminism was about breaking that constraint and demonstrating I was more than my genitals.

Regressive, self defeating and anti feminist is what it is. How sad.

@Leflic
You know google can actually help teach you things. There was no porn hub back in 1879 you know

slang for "female pudenda," 1879, but probably older; perhaps from Old Norse puss "pocket, pouch" (compare Low German puse "vulva"), but perhaps instead from the cat word (see pussy (n.1)) on notion of "soft, warm, furry thing;" compare French le chat, which also has a double meaning, feline and genital. Earlier uses are difficult to distinguish from pussy (n.1), as in:
The word pussie is now used of a woman [Philip Stubbes, "The Anatomie of Abuses," 1583]
But the absence of pussy in Grose and other early slang works argues against the vaginal sense being generally known before late 19c., as does its frequent use as a term of endearment in mainstream literature, as in:
"What do you think, pussy?" said her father to Eva. [Harriet Beecher Stowe, "Uncle Tom's Cabin," 1852]*
Pussy-whipped first attested 1956 (Middle English had cunt-beaten "impotent," in reference to a man, mid-15c.).*

Firstly it doesn’t have a horrible meaning at all
Secondly who says a man invented it? How would you KNOW that?
And thirdly, why the hell cant a woman choose what to call her OWN SEXUAL ORGAN?
If she wants to call it a minky moo then why can’t she?

Why are you constantly telling us that men are controlling us?

If I don’t make a massive wet patch on the bedsheets during sex I’m unlikely to want to have sex with him again. My choice. A man didn’t tell me to want that - I want it