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AIBU?

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DH has checked out of family life due to his mental health

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99WithTwoFlakes · 14/08/2020 21:40

Name changed for this. I don’t know what to do anymore. I basically feel like I’m a single parent.

DH suffers with depression, panic disorder and generalised anxiety disorder, he’s been diagnosed within the last year but I think I have known for a while that there were some mental health issues. He’s never been massively hands on as a dad, and in the past has blamed it on his demanding job, which saw him out of the house for most of the day. But he would do things with the kids when he could, like take them to their hobbies, to the cinema, do some school and nursery runs, and during lockdown he did his fair share of home-schooling etc.

But in the past couple of months it’s got to the point where he cannot even be in the same room as them. (They are aged 1, 3, 6 and 8). He says the kids’ noise exacerbates his mental health conditions. I try to keep them as quiet as possible as I understand the noise is a particular trigger for him and as you can imagine at those ages the kids have their moments, though I would also say the older three do keep relatively quiet for long periods if told to. We also have a large enough house that he can escape to other parts of the house when it all gets too much for him. But what I’ve found is he will do that in the morning and then we won’t see him for the rest of the day. He usually comes back to spend time with me after they’re all asleep.

In the past week he’s also said he won’t be able to do the things he used to do anymore (examples above). He’s said that given his deteriorating mental health I’m expecting too much from him. For what it’s worth I rarely ask him to do anything anymore, everything he does is because he feels like it. And I do everything else including all the housework and trying to work a full time job (from home due to Covid). He won’t do any of the housework but will cook the occasional meal. I still can’t get my head around why he won’t do any housework as that has nothing to do with listening to the kids’ noise....let’s just say that when I bring things up I’m accused of being insensitive or uncaring and on a really bad day I’m blamed for giving him a panic attack.

I feel utterly miserable. Part of me feels like this isn’t the life I signed up for, and then I feel like a complete bitch for feeling that way, because it’s his mental health and although he’s getting regular treatment for it, it’s not working yet and he doesn’t seem to be able to cope with any aspect of family life. We never go anywhere as a family, we never play games with the kids together, he doesn’t even help with bedtimes and hasn’t read any of them a bedtime story in ages. He’s either sitting upstairs in the bedroom feeling depressed or anxious, or he’s just too tired from work. Are these just excuses? How will I ever know if he’s perfectly capable but very ill, or whether he’s just plain lazy?

On top of looking after four children I have to be constantly mindful of his conditions and do everything I can not to trigger a panic attack. Having a conversation with him about something I’m feeling upset about is impossible, there is almost no emotional support back, it’s all one way. It is exhausting and I’m forever walking on eggshells. Lord only knows how the kids feel - probably the same way.

Here’s the AIBU part.... I know this is a ridiculous question but at what point would you cut your losses and go your separate ways? AIBU for considering leaving someone who is clearly very ill? I am already basically a single mum and if I’m honest I feel so much relief when he’s not around. Obviously I love him and miss him at times but it’s one less person to look after and the kids are happier too. But I’m conscious I feel this way because of his deteriorating mental health. So I would feel like I’ve left him just because of a disability ...does that make me pure evil? I sometimes wonder how I’d feel if I had post-natal depression and he left me. But then I realise I’d still be expected to parent and look after my baby if I had PND....and he literally is saying he can’t do ANYTHING now, it’s like he’s got a get out of parenting free card which he now uses daily.

YABU - he’s ill and you need to be there for him even if he can’t contribute to family life anymore.
YANBU - you can’t be expected to do everything / he’s using his mental health as an excuse.

Any thoughts or comments would really help me right now...even if it’s to tell me I’m being an insensitive and uncaring bitch!! Thank you

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LittleBearPad · 15/08/2020 13:04

He does seem to be able to do what he wants. Work, therapy, all the self-help books but stop taking medication and not ask for an alternative.

GPs hand SSRIs out like sweets so it wouldn’t be difficult to get an alternative that might shit him better.

But the stuff he doesn’t want to do he can’t cope with. It’s not on

MotherofTerriers · 15/08/2020 13:07

OP, could he rent a small place very near where you live. Then he could visit when he feels he can cope with the children, and work on his recovery in peace the rest of the time. And you and the children can have more normality.
I suspect he wants you as an audience, and suffering on his own won't appeal. But you'll be able to see how much effort he makes to recover, and how often he chooses to spend time with your children. It doesn't sound as if the therapy is achieving much

99WithTwoFlakes · 15/08/2020 13:07

@WhyAreWeHardOfThinking that is so very sad for your children - thank you for sharing. It’s exactly what I can see happening, he has once or twice got the kids excited about something and then flaked at the last minute due to his condition.

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ILoveFood87 · 15/08/2020 13:09

Do what's best for the children. They shouldn't be tiptoeing around their own home. Childhoods short they need to play and laugh and be silly. Not being quiet because dad can't bare to hear them. I feel sorry for them, poor things. Also sorry for you it sounds really hard.

99WithTwoFlakes · 15/08/2020 13:09

@LittleBearPad SSRIs that might “shit” him better made me laugh Grin thank you and don’t worry I know what you meant

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99WithTwoFlakes · 15/08/2020 13:10

They don’t really tiptoe around their home, they’re noisy and have fun and play whatever they want to play - it just makes him leave the room. I think I’ve painted a picture far worse than it actually is in that respect. Though everything else is pretty accurate

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99WithTwoFlakes · 15/08/2020 13:11

Renting a place nearby might be an idea.

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Fefifofaff · 15/08/2020 13:22

By 8 sessions in he should be showing far more engagement in everyday life, at least trying as part of his homework. I bet it's all been "me me me" and navel gazing, I wonder if the therapist even knows he has kids! Otherwise you would think the subject of who is caring for them would have come up. 🙄

His therapist can't talk to you about their sessions, but I think you can contact them by phone or email and give them some background on what's going on at your house. At least then they'll have the full picture.

99WithTwoFlakes · 15/08/2020 13:30

The point about CBT is so interesting I think. I know the therapist is aware he has a wife and four young children. But I don’t really think it’s been a very big focus of theirs yet. Certainly not as much as how to control his panic attacks / general anxiety as a whole. Probably because I know me and the kids are definitely not responsible for the vast amount of times he feels anxious - it’s usually about other things not family life.

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Figgygal · 15/08/2020 13:32

Having read all of your responses I’m interested to understand what HE is doing of trying to improve other than the therapy this isn’t your problem to fix alone ....if at all

As for his behaviour with the kids he chose to have 4 children some of whom are very young and conceived while you think issues have existed so he can’t just decide to opt out it’s not that easy or fair on them or you . If he didn’t want to Have the stress of earning enough to provide for a family of 6 maybe he should have thought of that earlier.

Friendsoftheearth · 15/08/2020 13:41

The therapy will be focused from him, unless he raises it they will not be talking or considering your children in all of this.

Sadly that is now your job and/or the job of your children's therapists.

It is now about discarding someone at the lowest ebb, but simply not allowing the contamination to continue to be spilt over on to the children. It is about damage limitation. As much as possible the children must be protected and shielded from this. Your dh is getting help and support, but are you? Are your children? Who is looking after you in all of this?

I think if he is too unwell he needs to move out, he can focus on getting better - and not necessarily splitting up but just arranging things so you and the children are able to have a relatively normal life. Bring in the paid help for support. Unless he is motivated to really change he may just languish allowing you to continue to do everything. As others have said, they have had the same thing and have no option but to carry on.

A few years of this may seem okay/doable, in a decades time you may have a very different view. I would speak to his therapist as well, and ask for an update, be honest about how difficult this is for the whole family.

Friendsoftheearth · 15/08/2020 13:42

**NOT

PatriciaBateman · 15/08/2020 13:43

What strikes me is that he doesn't seem in the least interested or caring about how this affects the people around him. It's one thing to feel unable to participate, and to be apologetic for that, grateful for your increased efforts, and generally caring toward you even if he can't do much.

But this sounds as if he feels completely entitled, you're the selfish one, deserving of guilt trips and scolding for having any feelings of your own.

This would finish it for me, and I have had episodes of very poor mental health myself. It's not about his mental health, it's about the way he chooses to handle it, and where you fit in his priorities.

Merriden · 15/08/2020 13:44

My ex-husband did this when our two were tiny. He would also walk out of rooms when they played and took literally no part in their lives.

Every time I broached the subject with or asked for support, he would just reply that his therapist had told him to focus on himself and his recovery.

This felt ironic as I had suffered PND with our eldest at the same time and because of a lack of support, I had to carry on. I couldn’t focus on my recovery.

Eventually having to effectively be a single parent made me so resentful and we finally divorced 5 years ago.

Best decision ever, especially as he still hasn’t resolved his mental health issues, has lost his job, house and car as well as his relationship with our kids as he continues to make the bare minimum of effort as it is ‘too much’ for him.

Merriden · 15/08/2020 13:46

@PatriciaBateman

What strikes me is that he doesn't seem in the least interested or caring about how this affects the people around him. It's one thing to feel unable to participate, and to be apologetic for that, grateful for your increased efforts, and generally caring toward you even if he can't do much.

But this sounds as if he feels completely entitled, you're the selfish one, deserving of guilt trips and scolding for having any feelings of your own.

This would finish it for me, and I have had episodes of very poor mental health myself. It's not about his mental health, it's about the way he chooses to handle it, and where you fit in his priorities.

This is exactly why my own marriage ended.

Poor mental health (and I’ve experienced it myself) is not a licence to treat people badly.

LannieDuck · 15/08/2020 13:55

get a lot of help around the house like with cooking, cleaning, sending clothes out to be washed/dry cleaned/ironed etc - something I have only ever done once. I suppose I could lighten the load by doing these things more often.

Definitely do this. Outsource everything you can. If you're at the point of breaking with too much work, lighten it as much as you can afford to. Take some of the pressure off yourself and you'll be able to consider the rest of your marriage in a calmer manner.

SuitedandBooted · 15/08/2020 14:15

I know the therapist is aware he has a wife and four young children.

How? Have you spoken to the therapist? Do they know whats really going on?

I know he must focus on getting better, but given that he has FOUR really young children and a wife who are being badly affected by his condition, I would have thought that they would be quite a big priority. It's been nearly 6 (?) months - surely he should have some "homework" that involves taking a bigger part in family life, even if it's only gathering up the washing, or taking the eldest two out to the park. From your account, he is still dropping out of everything family related, but can somehow bravely muster the strength to come downstairs and tell you his woes enjoy adult time with you....

I would be looking on Air BnB for a small self-contained annex/studio to rent. That way, you won't be committed to a 6 month lease, and he can be alone to focus on himself, and hopefully his recovery.

99WithTwoFlakes · 15/08/2020 14:24

Thank you all. I agree with everything everyone has said here and need to make some tough choices now. I’m sorry to hear about everyone who has been through similar, and although many of you are happier now that the marriage has ended, I think with lockdown and everything that’s been going on and the children all being at home while we have both tried to work full time jobs, it’s a tough time for everyone and I think it’s too soon to make that definitive call regarding a divorce. A trial separation could bring some welcome relief though, or just a two week break like someone suggested, but regularly, so perhaps every 6 weeks or so.

So while I won’t be ending the marriage just yet I will definitely be doing the following:

Insisting he goes back to the dr for meds.
Noise cancelling headphones so the children can enjoy their childhoods!!
Asking him to share more of his cbt journey with me and his goals etc.
Getting him to use his private health insurance to see a psychiatrist
Requesting that he focuses on discussing family life with his therapist going forward as well as other things he wants to talk about.
And picking a few small things he can manage to do to help out at home, laundry, emptying dishwasher, bit of cooking... things that aren’t particularly onerous in isolation.
And I’ll try to outsource as much as possible - rather than saving for a future that may never happen!

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BitOfFun · 15/08/2020 14:32

Great to hear that this thread has helped you come up with a plan Smile.].

Lardlizard · 15/08/2020 14:33

Good luck op, sounds like a good plan 🍀

99WithTwoFlakes · 15/08/2020 14:43

It really has helped. Brilliant ideas from everyone here. Thank you all Smile and thank you also for the good luck! Think I’ll definitely need some of that!!

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Russellbrandshair · 15/08/2020 14:50

I’d leave. I think it’s disgusting that he’s letting you do absolutely everything whilst making zero effort to help himself. If this carries on you will end up having a breakdown out of stress and I highly doubt he’ll be there to support you in the way he just expects you to support him. Marriage is supposed to be a partnership where sometimes one partner is strong and supports the other and vice versa. All I see here is him expecting you to do 💯 whilst he does absolutely nothing. That cannot last long term. I would give him an ultimatum- either he seeks help to help himself or it’s over. If you don’t give yourself at least a small light at the end of the tunnel you’ll get ill. Then there will be no one to do anything.

Leaannb · 15/08/2020 15:03

I'm saying this as a person with C-PTSD, GAD and depression. I was diagnosed after my last deployment to Afghanistan and after my recovery in Germany. The time to leave is now. Just like it was damaging to my own children to walk on eggshells its damaging your children's. I ended up leaving my family for just under 18 months to get my mental health under control. To be fair every time someone dropped something in my house I was crawling under my dining room table, the deck, trampoline etc..I decided to move out of my family home to concentrate on my mental health and saw my children almost every day. I went through rounds and rounds of meds and therapies and when I got healthy we started marriage therapy and family reunification therapy

Leaannb · 15/08/2020 15:04

@99WithTwoFlakes

It really has helped. Brilliant ideas from everyone here. Thank you all Smile and thank you also for the good luck! Think I’ll definitely need some of that!!
I'm so sorry you are going through this. Its very difficult for all involved
Leaannb · 15/08/2020 15:12

@LittleBearPad

He does seem to be able to do what he wants. Work, therapy, all the self-help books but stop taking medication and not ask for an alternative.

GPs hand SSRIs out like sweets so it wouldn’t be difficult to get an alternative that might shit him better.

But the stuff he doesn’t want to do he can’t cope with. It’s not on

That is unfair. Its actually very difficult to get a med that works with your body. Its a never ending cycle of trying new drugs and new doseages that work for you. Then once you do after a while they stop working and you jump back into it again. SSDIs are not one size fit all and just because they work today there is no guarantee they will work tomorrow
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