To think if you chose to go abroad during a pandemic it serves you right?

[FunnysInLaJardin]

I get that folk feel they deserve a holiday, but if you travel during the current pandemic you shouldn't complain if rules suddenly change before you get home.

Anyone with half a wit could see that it was a risky thing to do to take a holiday at this time.

Living in Paris, I could be in London faster than someone in rural Lincolnshire could. It’s not a massive round the world hike.

Now they've woken up and have to make quick decisions, try and get new insurance or try and cancel at the last moment. So yes, whilst they knew the risk I do feel for them having to do lots of stuff very last minute

They will have known for weeks and weeks that this was potentially always going to happen, they choose to continue. Insurance will be invalid, so there is no point trying to try and get a new policy?!

Also some people booked these trips way before Covid was on the scene

They WILL still be covered in their insurance so no need for empathy just put in a claim.

We are not talking about younger adults, we were talking about elderly relatives living overseas fletchings

I know but your post implied that you talked about parents moving away rather than being left behind so to speak by their children (which is far more common).

and those that care enough to shelve their holidays for the greater good

It’s a shame people can’t shelve being condescending on social media “for the greater good” during this unprecedented worldwide pandemic (etc etc) - everyone would be much happier.

@BikeTyson

and those that care enough to shelve their holidays for the greater good

It’s a shame people can’t shelve being condescending on social media “for the greater good” during this unprecedented worldwide pandemic (etc etc) - everyone would be much happier.

Agreed!

I don't think I'd say that it serves them right but, if the holiday was booked in recent weeks, they should be aware that this can happen and I would hope most would prepare accordingly.

A country with one of the worst death rates, and the disease well and truly dispersed throughout thinks it is at risk of that same disease coming in across its borders from its few healthy people going on holiday! It’s the rest of the world that should be stopping British people from entering.
A graph yesterday showed France with a much higher level of infection than us over weeks with a sudden upward trend over the past two weeks. Ditto Spain, so I think the Govt have been right to add them to the list.

I'm going abroad next month - and you know what, I don't give a toss what any jealous little person back home thinks.
I don't understand why posters often resort to considering others jealous. There is nothing that has been said that implies jealousy. I think there is just a difference in aversion to risk by people and a fair bit of anxiety around.
I hope you enjoy your holiday next month and hope you don't have to self-isolate afterwards.

This gives an accurate up to date picture in Europe of the current infection rate:

You can see that we have a fairly growing problem right across Europe. For once UK is definitely lower, and staying low in terms of new infections (for now at least)

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Agree completely OP. Idiot on the news saying the government had given him less than 24hours notice. This has been going on Since February! Did he not see what happened in Spain?

Happy now OP?

@BikeTyson

and those that care enough to shelve their holidays for the greater good

It’s a shame people can’t shelve being condescending on social media “for the greater good” during this unprecedented worldwide pandemic (etc etc) - everyone would be much happier.

👏👏👏

@Aragog

Also some people booked these trips way before Covid was on the scene, and the won't get refunds if they'd cancelled earlier in the summer. Surely they deserve some empathy at least?!

This is definitely sad, I booked mine last year, and got all my money back (i'm alright Jack) so i have sympathy for anyone who has lost money this way

But the people who booked a trip any time after covid, we can feel sad for them, but seriously, didnt take an expert to realise that travelling abroad in the current situation is not a good idea

I've said this on other threads but the "there's always next year" etc. comments are a bit frustrating for those of us with life life-limiting illnesses.
For some of us, travelling this year could genuinely be our final opportunity to see places we've always wanted to and share special experiences with our families. It's not essential to do these things abroad but for some of us it's still very important.
Personally - after cancelling all my holidays last year and being stuck at home unwell with the effects of brutal chemotherapy, surgery and complications, then missing out on a number of planned trips earlier this year due to Covid, my DS and I will be going ahead with our Disneyland Paris trip next week. (Booked last year, and Eurostar not flight). We'll take all of the necessary precautions and will strictly adhere to the quarantine when we return.
I'm disappointed by the quarantine as this grounds us at home for the last two weeks of DS's summer holidays - but I won't moan as it's our decision to travel.

doreen Have a wonderful time and many of us would choose to do the same in your position

Its the people who booked when they knew the risks and then complain bitterly that its all gone wrong. In that case I think it does serve you right.

I think 'serves them right' is harsh OP. I do get annoyed at the people who complain loudly and bitterly and try and blame everyone else when it was clear this eventuality could happen. I don’t rejoice in their unhappiness but they rolled the dice and unfortunately things changed and they ‘lost’.

I wouldn't put it as harshly as you in your op, @FunnysInLaJardin, but I do think anyone travelling abroad should be prepared to quarantine both sides without complaining. You know the risks, but you have made the choice.

@heartsonacake

YANBU. I hope they won’t be expecting help if they get stranded anywhere.

I certainly agree with you that going abroad without insurance and expecting others to bail you out is irresponsible. I've no intention of doing that. I'm still considering my options but one is still accepting that my current insurance will be invalid, paying out for a one off policy to cover me for medical expenses and repatriation and respecting my obligation to quarantine on returning.

paying out for a one off policy to cover me for medical expenses and repatriation

I am not sure if you have already researched policies, but there isn't a single insurance company in the world that is now offering policy covering repatriation and lockdowns.
This will be personal and financial responsibility for this will be yours.
I am not even sure any insurance will cover anything at all when now the FOC has stated essential travel only, I understand the policies are now invalid.

If you move abroad to make your life there permanently, surely you accept that there is a realistic risk that you will never see relatives from your home country in person ever again

In the Tudor times, perhaps yes. Otheerwise no

@FunnysInLaJardin

I get that folk feel they deserve a holiday, but if you travel during the current pandemic you shouldn't complain if rules suddenly change before you get home.

Anyone with half a wit could see that it was a risky thing to do to take a holiday at this time.

Like you I'm getting sick of the holidaymakers droning on about it. Imo holidays abroad or in UK should never have been permitted.

I am currently in Spain, booked the holiday a year ago. I looked at moving the flights and would have had to pay an extra £200. I accept the fact that I have to quarantine upon our return even though I dont agree with it. The measures here are nothing compared to the UK, yet I have to stay indoors, makes no sense to me as risk is far greater back home.

yet I have to stay indoors, makes no sense to me as risk is far greater back home

Why do you think the risk is greater at home? Spain recorded close to 3000 new cases yesterday and 100 in 100,000 people are infected, compared to 18 in 100,000 in the U.K.

If you do all those things and expect not to quarantine, then yes, what planet are you on? You're probably also not able to think logically about other aspects of the pandemic either.

Totally agree

@bapples I feel your pain. The argument "oh well perhaps you should have thought of that before you moved away" is no argument at all. We live abroad, and it happens that DH works in an industry unaffected by corona while I am a SAHM so perhaps I should go onto some of the furlough/childcare threads and go "oh well, perhaps you should have picked your career/childcare setup more carefully" except I won't because I'm not a dick. The pandemic has had varied and unexpected effects on everyone's lives, and we should be showing solidarity with everyone else, not scoring points.

(Also, I'm curious - where did you get the name Bapples from? I have a theory...)

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