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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

OP posts:
Laiste · 12/08/2020 13:21

I think 'applying straight hair principals' means exactly what it says: Don't compare/expect to treat it like straight hair and there's no problem. So i'd guess no, you cant wash it, dry it and bung it in a pony tail all within an hour. That hair texture has it's own different positives and negatives to straight hair.

Laiste · 12/08/2020 13:23

Oh and OP YANBU obvs. Both you and DH need to have a proper chat with his mother. Talk her through why what she's saying is unacceptable and see what happens. Keep the sheer anger and all guns blazing to if she doesn't change.

Shoxfordian · 12/08/2020 13:26

Your mil is racist
Hope your husband makes it clear that her comments are unacceptable and that she won't be seeing her grandchildren if they continue

porcelinaofthevastoceanss · 12/08/2020 13:27

Your MIL sounds unbearable. What is wrong with Afro hair? I think it’s beautiful and your little girls sound lovely. I would ask her outright what her issue with Afro hair is and watch her dig herself into a bloody big hole - the bigger the audience for that conversation the better!

AryaStarkWolf · 12/08/2020 13:37

Jesus, who voted that YABU?? of course you're not, you should call her out on that OP, it's racist and really insulting

NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 12/08/2020 13:40

Next time she says "is it afro hair" I would say "hmm I dont think so, it's such a shame isnt it? Natural afro hair looks so gorgeous, I was hoping they would get my hair I love it".

She sounds like she is quite racist.

DietCokePlease · 12/08/2020 13:44

Haven't read the full thread, but your in-laws are racist and it's totally unacceptable. Neither you nor your husband should tolerate this for a second. I would not allow my child to be around them until they accept this.

QueenCT · 12/08/2020 14:05

For detangling use a conditioner which feels slippery and loads of water. Giovanni smooth as silk is good or the garnier oats in the white bottle

QueenCT · 12/08/2020 14:09

Oh and a co wash is good like as I am, and a leave in conditioner
Look for no silicones

Sorberret · 12/08/2020 14:13

She sounds awful! I would ask her what exactly she thinks is wrong about the dc having afro hair?

sruitfalad · 12/08/2020 14:19

Why didn't you nip this in the bud when she first came out with this tripe? I'd have shut the conversation down there and then. Tell her to fuck off saying you've been too polite for far too long thinking she'd get the message but because she's not giving up, you're having to be direct so there's no room for confusion. I hope your DCs haven't absorbed any of your MiL poisonous thinking about their appearance. You and your DH need to take a zero tolerance line with everyone- family included- if they make racist remarks. There are no excuses.

C130 · 12/08/2020 14:20

OP for detangling the hair, a spritzy bottle with a couple of blobs of conditioner mixed with water is your friend. An afro comb is also a must I find. Also any oil such as sweet almond oil, or extra virgin olive oil ,coconut oil etc should be applied sparingly to damp hair. Depending on how dry the hair normally is.

drspouse · 12/08/2020 14:37

I think the OP can manage to look after her DD's hair as she also manages to look after her own hair and her DS hair...

AbsolutelyPositively · 12/08/2020 14:42

@NoSleepInTheHeat

Afro hair is made harder to look after if you apply straight hair principles to it Really? Genuine question. I mean can you wash it, let it hair dry and put it quickly in a ponytail and still look half decent? As you can guess this question is inspired by my hair care routine during the heatwave Wink

Speaking only from my experience and those of my family, that would be a recipe for disaster . When my hair is wet it goes lovely and spirally. When I was younger I insisted that my mum leaves it after washing it because I wanted the curls to stay. As it air dried, it tangled, became frizzy and twice the size. My mum warned me that would happen but I didn't believe her. Never again 😂.

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AbsolutelyPositively · 12/08/2020 14:53

@drspouse

I think the OP can manage to look after her DD's hair as she also manages to look after her own hair and her DS hair...

The only experience I've had with European hair is styling straight hair and cutting men's hair. I've never dealt with naturally curly hair. I'm definitely interested to learn from the pros on this one!

Thanks for the suggestions so far, I love the idea about mixing conditioner with water.

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BessMarvin · 12/08/2020 15:24

@drspouse

I think the OP can manage to look after her DD's hair as she also manages to look after her own hair and her DS hair...
Even though she asked for recommendations at 12.37?
drspouse · 12/08/2020 15:35

Ah boo! I think I must have missed a page!

Toilenstripes · 12/08/2020 15:42

I would just tell her point blank that you find Afro hair beautiful and that’s the only opinion that matters. She’s a racist moron.

lunar1 · 12/08/2020 15:57

Can you imagine your children repeating this to someone in an argument at school 'at least I don't have Afro hair'

It's racist, my mum commented about my choice of name for DS1 when he was born. She told me I should pick something 'passable as English'

After a week or so of me being quietly upset I told her it was the only racist thing she ever got to say. If there was anything else she could stay out of our lives.

NoSleepInTheHeat · 12/08/2020 16:58

That was my point, you can’t deny looking after afro hair doesn’t require a technique, which most people with «white» hair (not sure what term to use!) don’t know about. MIL’s could just be thinking afro hair is harder hence her remark.

I voted YANBU because it was insensitive. Add to this the remark about meals, yes it sounds racist. But wishing for easy hair on its own, I don’t know, it could be just wishing for the easiest option.

FluffyPersian · 12/08/2020 17:11

@AbsolutelyPositively

I'm white with afro hair. I mean PROPER afro.... I mean like Michael Jackson as a child afro.... Two white parents / 4 white grandparents and a (boring) family tree, and I have 3 younger sisters who all have 'normal' Caucasian hair.

Growing up in a 100% white village and a 100% white school meant years of very bad bullying at school and also being called a 'freak' by adults. My Mother had no idea what to do with my hair and took me to the local hairdresser who said 'If you cut it all off, it will grow back straight' - Funnily enough, it didn't and still stood on end.

I went to Tony and Guy and felt so uncomfortable, all the Stylists stood around me, pulling at my hair going 'Oh My God', 'What can we do with this?' (I was 17... it was late 90's) They chucked on so much product, my hair was gloopy, sticky and I never went back. I had my hair braided from 18-21 and then found the most amazing Afro Caribbean salon in Reading where I have stayed for nearly 20 years.

In regards to some haircare suggestions, I'd stay well away from all the stuff in boots like frizz-eaze etc and look to either treat her hair (if you think that's what she would want) wave nouveau makes the curls a lot looser and easier to manage, whereas a progressiva (Brazillian Blow dry) makes it very, very straight.

I use Fantasia IC range, it's fantastic, gives me moisture in my hair and doesn't make it dry. I also use 'Pureology' (you can buy from Amazon) shampoo and conditioner as they don't contain salt, which means it doesn't strip out any of my Progressiva - if you were to just use it on your daughters hair, it should give more moisture and easier to manage.

If you'd like any links to products, let me know... I've been through a LOT of products Smile

FluffyPersian · 12/08/2020 17:14

Pic to prove it..... me and my 3 sisters when young!

Comments about DD’s hair texture
billy1966 · 12/08/2020 17:22

Your mother sounds lovely OP, and a good judge of character.

Thankfully she is available to be of support to you.

I think your your MIL sounds like a very rude PITA.

Even if she is jost old and ignorant, and doesn't know any better, she is still a very critical woman, who is making very personal, implied criticisms, of your children's hair.
WTF...

Who does she imagine she is?🤨

She has no business passing comments about your children's appearance.

So bloody rude.

I think whatever you decide to say or not say....she needs to be told loudly,..... DO NOT COMMENT ON MY CHILDREN'S APPEARANCE.

You sound like a very patient woman OPFlowers

ConfusedDotCom123 · 12/08/2020 22:12

FluffyPersian

Your hair is gorgeous !!!! Genetics are fascinating things!

Wbeezer · 12/08/2020 22:38

@FluffyPersian do you have Uncombable Hair Syndrome? A girl in DSs class in primary school had it as did one of her siblings, I've never forgotten their distinctive look, lovely girls too.

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